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ikke:

--- Quote from: Peter ---There aren't enough ''facts'' to prove the existance for gnomes, fairys, giants or god.
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Gnomes exist, one just ate my reply  

Peter:

--- Quote from: jknilinux ---Woohoo, atheist vs. theist discussion! I love these...
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I don't really like those discussions. There can be a lot of discussion but rarely there will be real difference in anyone opinion. Discussions with christians is one of the rare subjects I'm sure I don't change my point about(another reason why I don't like it). On the other site I then see christians changing there opinion about evolution and comparable a little bit by saying stuff like micro-evolution exists but the real doesn't. So that religion is still right.


--- Quote ---I'm with the theists, but I do have a question for the atheists: How do you deal with pascal's wager?
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I ignore everything everything that doesn't have any prove, no matter the consequences. Does that anwser your question?


--- Quote ---Actualy you are agreeing with us.
In case you were not following . we never actualy concluded the existance of god.
We concluded that the existance of god cannot be concluded through logic.
But I would rather be on the safe side and believe anyway and not argue with poeple that disagree
I will let them believe what they like if I can believe what I like.
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It sounded like bac was saying that science was unable to disprove god. And science tells something about god. Well science doesn't tell anything at all about god. There isn't a theory that would say god exists. There are only theorys where god doesn't exist.

The connection between ''science<->god'' doesn't really exist. They should really be seen apart. You can't mix them.
Someone who is religious and tries to mix them starts with ''god is right'' and concludes with ''science is wrong''.
Someone who is ''scientific'' starts with ''science is right'' and concludes with ''god is wrong''.
Just don't mix them.  

Anyway if this gets into a real atheist/theist discussion.  

Then I'm probably out.

Peter:

--- Quote from: jknilinux ---Peter-
Well, when I said "atheist vs. theist discussion", I meant the intelligent, no-flaming kind of discussion. Otherwise, I agree- flame wars are ridiculous wastes of time.
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Hmm, I look sometimes at flame-wars at some boards. Some are funny to read.
Not about religion just random nonsence.
Still stand with my point(religion discussion->waste of time) , still little interested what your thoughs are when you use a program like DB. That goes against a strinct principle of most religions, evolution.


--- Quote ---btw, I've never found even one scientific theory that says God doesn't exist, or one reasonable religious point of view that claims science is wrong.
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Hmm, well it is just how you look at it. But what about big bang, evolution theory and such. It is old one but got to be mentioned.
Put your reasonable religious views here if you think those theorys don't interfere with god.

There are a lot of things where science can't say it is wrong. Yes, the gnome fits here too.

And are you then looking through the view of a certain religion or just thinking there is a god becouse you think there is something higher?

And maybe more important, is there a scientific theory that states god exists?

d-EVO:

--- Quote from: Peter ---Hmm, well it is just how you look at it. But what about big bang, evolution theory and such.
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Im pretty sure that when God created the universe there was one hell of a Bang.

Regardless of whether we evolved or not I still give God the credit. ( Think that is what counts )


--- Quote from: Peter ---And maybe more important, is there a scientific theory that states god exists?
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Is there one that says He doesnt?  

Ok we are not getting any were with this but I have got one more question

-Why do most atheists hate the God they don't believe in  ???

Ta-183:

--- Quote from: d-EVO ----Why do most atheists hate the God they don't believe in  ???
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Now, what do we do when we assume......

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