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DNA - General / Re: Dna reading question
« on: November 06, 2013, 08:42:18 AM »
The only reason I see for not achieving 40 is due to the nature of how DNA works:
1) first it reads Gene 1, giving the "order" to increase the speed up to 10  IF the speed is not 40; so, the speed will increase, but just a little; it wont have the time to increase further because, in the next moment/second the DNA will read the second gene.

2) the bot rotates, but now is not accelerating, just rotating, and because of that speed will naturally decrease a little bit;

3) DNA reads again gene 1, and so on.

This means that the bot will have an erratic movement, not reaching the desired behavior: move straight forward, them turn 90?, move forward again and so on.

This is my explanation.

The only way I found to turn that problem around (in fact is not a problem, just me checking how things work on Darwinbots) was the insertion of a condition on gene 2: *.velup 40 >; it will rotate only if the speed is forty or more. Then I checked and it seems more like the expected behavior. Even so,
I think that the rotation will not happen exactly at 40, sometimes 43, and sometimes even 50. Maybe thats something related to the surface. I dont know.

DNA - General / Re: Dna reading question
« on: November 05, 2013, 06:29:55 PM »
I made a bot just to try some things:
' GENE 1 - Move until reaching the speed of 40 (from what I could see, 60 is max speed)
*.velup 40 <
5 .up store

' GENE 2 - Rotate 90 degrees
314 .aimdx store

Then i tested the bot.
What I was expecting: the bot would walk some time forward (until reaching the speed of 40) and only then would rotate; since it would take somewhile to reach such speed, I was expecting to see the bot only walking forward for a few cycles (I suppose a cycle is reading the DNA once), then, after some cycles, it would rotate for the first time.

What happened: in a metal surface the bot will just rotate; in the standard (no fluid resistence) surface, you will see him globally moving more or less in one direction, while rotating 90 degrees every cycle; maximum speed will be something like 7 or 8. On any case, it seems that is not doing what I expected. Why?

DNA - General / Re: Dna reading question
« on: November 05, 2013, 05:46:53 PM »
Thanks for the answers :)

In fact wikimanual is not perfect for newbies like me, but its a good help.

As you said, the best way to learn is trying and I am already doing that :), tough some things are not easy to see at first. I remember that when I was learning a little about Blitzbasic language, I used text functions a lot so I could check when something would happen. For example, if I wanted to see when a specific function happens, I would replace it by some text ("Function XYZ happening now", whatever). Here, in Darwinbots, there is not the possibility to see text appearing on screen as the result of a gene execution, as the result of a function. If that was possible, I think I could explore even further the work of DNA.

DNA - General / Dna reading question
« on: November 04, 2013, 01:32:05 PM »
I am reading the WikiManual but there are things that I am not sure. One of them is the very important understanding of stacks and DNA reading.

It says, somewhere on the Wiki, that the stack is clean after reading all the DNA...So how does that works? 
Imagine the following DNA (described in english, not in code):

- Gene 1: If I dont see any organism, I will move forward (something like " 10 .up store").

- Gene 2: If I see an enemy I will eat it. (use shoot function)

- Gene 3 If I see a friend I will do nothing

Now I start a simulation with such organism. The DNA will Run: first it will check Gene 1, then Gene 2, then G3. Then, the memory will be  clean and the DNA starts reading again:  gene 1, gene 2 and so on. Correct? Is that the way it works?

Second question: if thats the way DNA works, I dont understand how is it possible for a bot to increase speed. Example with DNA reading: Gene 1 is read, then the speed increases 10 units (the speed goes from zero to 10), then gene 2 and 3, memory clean and then, a new cycle begins and Gene 1 is read (and so on). But since the memory was clean, the bot doesnt have the information that the last speed was 10, so it will start again from zero...

I am scracthing my head lol, because I am new to this stuff and I would like to understand some basic stuff before starting. I hope you can understant my questions because my english is not very good.


DNA - General / Re: Eye Value Question
« on: November 04, 2013, 08:09:48 AM »
I will try it, thanks :)

DNA - General / Re: Eye Value Question
« on: November 03, 2013, 12:18:45 PM »
Thanks :)

I wil check the bot, but the eye values arent between 0 and 32000? Why do you said between 25 and 50?

Thanks again ;)

DNA - General / Eye Value Question
« on: November 03, 2013, 07:37:33 AM »

I am a newbie. My account is not new. I tried once to start learning to work with DB, but only now I think I may have more time to that.

My first question, that was not clear on the Manual, is this: how does it work the values in the eye?

What means a value of 50 (like in the Animal Minimalis)? I dont have the notion of "distances" in the game and I would like some more input. Thanks!

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