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Offline Numsgil

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« on: October 13, 2005, 09:17:18 AM »
Found yet another ALife simulator.  This one, like so many others, is no longer actively being developed.

Archis.

As always, I'm in the library.  I'll check it out later.  Totally vouch for any features you think we should have that they do.
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2005, 09:46:14 AM »
Where do you find all this great stuff Num... Really I have used millions of hours to search the net thin, and I thought I had found most AL sims!

This is truely amazing, not Archis in particular, but that there is still AL Sims out there!
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2005, 09:53:02 AM »
I have a golden knack ;D

Actually, it was just added to the ALife page on Wikipedia.
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2005, 01:25:02 PM »
Can't get it to work, the timer ticks but nothing happens...

Not a new idea, but just a reminder: Would be nice to be able to "limit lifespan to certain length" and to enable "random killing" of bots.
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2005, 02:08:28 PM »
Nah shvartz, Just use "nice" back there in the bestary...
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2005, 02:26:08 PM »
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Can't get it to work, the timer ticks but nothing happens...

Not a new idea, but just a reminder: Would be nice to be able to "limit lifespan to certain length" and to enable "random killing" of bots.
Reminder?  I don't think I ever remember talking about such things...

But I totally agree.  Should be able to set scripts for it.
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2005, 04:39:14 PM »
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Not a new idea, but just a reminder: Would be nice to be able to "limit lifespan to certain length" and to enable "random killing" of bots.

Actually we have!!! Took me ages to find the topic!!!

Here I suggest, that kind of aging bots....

And it seems that Shvarz him self, were against it... Strange  :D

AND AND It is a bit difficult to set up a simulation that works, but I have managed it, but now it seems that I cant set one up ... tsk tsk tsk  :shoot:  :pokey:
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2005, 05:02:41 PM »
Yes, I was against it.  Now I'm for it.  Call me a flip-flopped if you wish :)

From my point of view, that just shows that I have a very flexible mind :)
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2005, 05:58:38 PM »
That's how I always viewed it.

In the presedential things here in the US, the rival to Bush was viewed by most as a "flip-flop".  I viewed it as an ability to change his mind based on new information (which is something that Bush most certainly cannot do).
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2005, 06:22:05 PM »
Hey easy now... But Num there is a long way from Bush and the Presidential Election, and whatever DB should have aging bots :)
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2005, 06:25:00 PM »
A note, alot matters in how you phrase a suggestion.

"This should be the way of things" is a very strong case, and difficult to convince many people of.

"It would be useful if you could do this" is more likely to garner support, since users who don't want to use it can just turn it off.

Even if the effect of the two are identical, you're going to get better responses with the second.  It's just something I've observed.
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2005, 06:29:13 PM »
Cant really see how that came into the discussion!??

In my suggestion there were no "this is how it should be".
Whatever it doesnt matter.
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2005, 08:53:00 PM »
Well, it would be very useful to get rid of Big Berthas, random killing (or a set limit to lifespan) would be an easy solution to that problem.  

I mostly changed my mind when I tried to evolve veggies without any predators - they simply have no need to divide - eventually they just get tons of energy, reach population limit and sit there.  

That's my two cents.
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2005, 09:12:01 PM »
Greven, keep in mind I offer this critique/observation only in the spirit of helping all users understand how the community thinks and reacts as a whole.  I mean no one any sort of harsh criticism by it (I know tone is difficult to convey by text).

Your post was phrased such that it sounded, to me at least, like a universal feature request instead of a "would be useful" option.

Universal feature requests are much more difficult to get people to agree to.  Which may be why you got limited response from it (I don't remember why I never responded.  Interesting...)

It is quite arbitrary and somewhat silly, but if you're careful in how you phrase a suggestion with broad implications, you can recieve entirely different feedback.

Generally "we should have this tool..." is the most successful suggestions format.
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2005, 09:25:05 PM »
Making the a art out of writing to other humans.... hmmmm ;)

Okay, but it was still just a simple suggestion, I think you put to much into write to each other.

Every person on the board dont know the intention of others members posts (like Bots is really hard to read and understand proper, because he writes what just pop into his mind, and not careful trying to translate a thought/idea to text), therefore there is no such thing as the 2 possible interactions / deciphering of a post as you state. If people disagree they are much more likely to post it, than if they are indifferent or agree with it. Maybe you a like that Num, all respect to you, but all people are different.

A lot of topics die out, and if more interesting topic popup, people (or maybe now I generalize) tend to move and respond to the newer topics...
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