Shvartz, can you help me out?

[shvarz]

You know, this is VERY interesting!  I remember distinctly that I picked a bot that was running happily along and it bumped into a patch of veggies and started eating.  Do you think that maybe there is some funky stuff with epigenetic memory?  This is quare and scroovy for sure...  I thing

Anyway, maybe it was just a bad bot.  Here is another one - give it a spin:

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[Greven]

:wacko:  :wacko:  :blink: Now I have tried on 3 different systems. And none of the bots work??????

ANYONE try it out and see if you do get the same: ie.: bots that just die, because they aint getting any food....

This is indeed extremely strange and interesting!

I am very puzzled! :wacko:  :blink:  :unsure:  :ph43r:

[Greven]

Maybe we have found a bug or something. But first lets see if other people get the same results as I!

[Numsgil]

Send us a save game of it shvarz.  That should help.

Be sure to zip it.

[Greven]

Yes that would help, but it doesnt help us that a bot which is supposed to work doesnt!

[PurpleYouko]

I just tried both of these out under the conditions listed and under others.
I agree with greven. These things cannot survive...They just don't shoot the veggies under any circumstances that I can find.

They have no .shoot commands or anything stored into location 6 which would do the same thing.
There could be some more obscure method to store a value in .shoot but I haven't been able to make them shoot at all.  :(

[Numsgil]

Yes that would help, but it doesnt help us that a bot which is supposed to work doesnt!

Sure it does.  It's easier to debug a bot that works than one that doesn't.

[shvarz]

DARN IT!

My sim crashed and I had no saves - I only saved DNAs, not the whole simulation.  Now I tried 4 different DNAs and they are all the same - they don't shoot!!!!

6 million cycles to waste!  :(

OK, let's think logically...  How a newly-born bot is different from a bot that was just inserted manually?  Would it have a different amount of waste?  Any memory locations would be different?

[Greven]

No, the array is erased entirely isnt it? There must be some explanation on this strange subject!??? Here it would be very nice if we had got the seed value to replay the run!

[shvarz]

One word: scroovy

[Numsgil]

Aside from memory locations that are inherited through the birth tie, I'm not sure.  Perhaps different levels of body.

[Botsareus]

We are all running the same virsion , and no one messed with the source code, the only explonation I see is the bot has some kind of hiddin dna that does not show up anywere on the saves, or that the bot is passing memory locations to its children unlike the bot that was inserted manualy has.

What about saving and loading entire organism , does that work? well nm , the simulation crashed no way to test that...

[PurpleYouko]

Do you have a snapshot of the sim?

That way at least you can reconstruct each DNA file and try them one by one.

I wonder if waste was building up and making something happen due to saving stuff to random memlocs.

[shvarz]

Can I manually give a bot more body?  Through console?

[PurpleYouko]

I think so. I never tried. I know it works with energy.