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Numsgil:
Again, if you could point to a concrete, single feature PY or I have added...

Griz:

--- Quote ---Again, if you could point to a concrete, single feature PY or I have added...
--- End quote ---
it isn't any one feature Nums ...
it is your philosophy on how evolution works.
it's a basic and fundamental misunderstanding, imo ...
but I also know you are not open to hearing that ..
that you think you have it all figured out.
perhaps you have.
then again? ;)

anyway ...
we will see.
if/when you ever make this work ...
I see it going the wrong way ...
getting farther and farther from being a working program.

ok ...
'nuff said ...
no use beating a dead horse.
it's your project ...
go for it.

see ya

PurpleYouko:

--- Quote ---it is not about complexity ...
it is about keeping it simple ..
and letting the complexity 'evolve'.
--- End quote ---
Complexity CANNOT evolve in a limited, simple system!

The code CANNOT write itself!

Bots in any environment can only do what the environment allows.

Why doesn't anybody get that?  :blink:

Without specific code to allow a robot to reproduce it simply WON'T

If we didn't tell them exactly how fast they could move after sending a movement impulse, based on a complex, realistic set of physical laws, they WOULDN'T move

here is the simplest bit of code you can get...



Let's see you evolve a bot in it.

Nothing happens does it? Because there are no physical laws (or code for that matter)

What? Too simple? See my point?

This is a computer program. Stuff can only happen if it has been specifically programmed to be able to happen.

Griz:
not at what I am saying ...
we aren't reading from the same page here ...
or even in the same book, PY.
but you are going to see it the way you see it so ...
there's really no point to this.

like I said ...
go for it.

we will see.

shvarz:
Griz, I am all for evolution and I absolutely want to see complex things evolving from simple elements.  In that sense I absolutely agree with you and I've been always opposed to introduction of arbitrary features for bots.  Some of things that went through anyway are examples of this kind of approach, like "poison" and "venom" and "waste".  

But I've known PY and Nums for a while now and I have to tell you that you are not correct - they do understand how evolution works and they put in a lot of effort into making DB evo-friendly.  The reason they don't understand you is because they are programmers who want to know what feature exactly is wrong and how exactly you propose to fix it.  I did not see in your posts these things either, so even I don't understand what exactly pisses you off so much.  Yes, there are tons of things that can be added, but we only have 1.5 programmers working on this very complex project now - give these 1.5 guys a break :)

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