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F3 league

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Moonfisher:
Ok I have to admit shell and poison are pretty poerfull on their own... ran the example I posted earlier against some of the old F1 league bots and it was able to beat a lot of them...
It's true that beign stingy about shell is rarely usefull... and if there was no shell and poison the focus would realy be on navigation and comunication.
But boosting shots is a serious advantage aswell...

On the other hand if you have no shell or shot boosts then large bots become a lot stronger... but if you remove strbody then reproduction comes with a serious cost to size and power....

So it seems like things may get a litle predictable if we lock too much, but it also seems like shell and poison combined with boosted shots would allow F3 bots to compete in F1...
Without it they probably wouldn't be able to compete in F2 though...

You could also argue that since shell, poison and boosted shots are so important it would be an advatage for people to have a lague with just those 3 weapons... start out learning some of the most important attacks and defences and see how big a diference they can make...
And taking out mem shots, ties and venom removes some of the realy dirty tricks.

So basicaly I think a league with just shell, posion and boosted shots would be great for understanding the use of basic weaponry, but I also think a league with no advanced weapons could be very interesting...
I still think comunication and movement would play a big role in both cases though.

Commander Keen:
F3 could potentially be very interesting, as then spreading algorithms and a good eye system would become really important, as shell and poison give bots time to react. If they lost these defenses, then it would be more important than ever for bots to react faster.

I think small bots could do well in F3 because larger bots won't have the benefit of having heaps of shell and poison. Small bots could more easily overwhelm a large bot...

Moonfisher:
Actualy if shell is allowed a large bot would be able to hold off a lot of small bots for a long time...
The advantage of being many is to reach the alge faster, but a large oponent with plenty of energy can replenish shell for a long time.
Venom and mem shots and ties is what realy gives the advantage to many small bots... since if one doesn't manage to inject the venom another will...
But if noone can mess with your memmory unless you shoot at them, then there's no way to bypass the shell...
I'm not even sure if it's worth trying to shoot if your oponent has shell too... it may be better to only eat alge and just keep a lot of shell and poison, just let your oponents kill themselves trying to get through your shell...

Numsgil:
Okay, let's try it with just -1 and -6 shots.  No shell, slime, poison, venom, viruses, delgene, or infoshots.

bacillus:
Agreed.

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