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jknilinux:
Quite amazing.

Anyway, the main refutations of Pascal's Wager so far:

1: You shouldn't use it as a reason for belief because doing so will make you go to the other place anyways.
Maybe, but it depends on how you define a ton of stuff. Anyway, it's really just to show atheists they should believe.

2: It proves all religions. True, because that's the same as saying it "disproves" atheism, which was the point, so it's not really a refutation, it just shows that you still have a problem afterwards.

I think that's all. Please let me know if there are any holes in my reasoning or any refutations I haven't acknowledged.

Numsgil:
Why are you trying to refute Pascal's wager anyway?  It's a wager, and a rather tongue-in-cheek one at that.  Are you feeling threatened by the implications?

bacillus:

--- Quote from: ikke ---The problem with end of the World prophecies is that the World ends on average once every 10 years or so. Funny, I must have slept through a couple.
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Like a backup earth?  

With this post added, the thread is officially longer than the F1 thread on page two of the bot tavern.

ikke:

--- Quote from: bacillus ---Like a backup earth?
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Probably. Didn't like the outcome of the game, pressed escape, load game and continued from the last save...

Moonfisher:
Like loading an old sim in DB

I don't see why anyone who is religious would try to prove the existence of god. The whole concept of god is that you have to believe in him, and that doubt is a sin. In fact according to the new testament denying the existence of god is the only sin that can not be forgiven.... you can be a sadistic pedofile and you'll be ok if you believe, but if you deny the existence of god you can't be saved. And trying to rpove the existence of god, may not be denying his existence, but it's definately doubting it... the whole point of religion is that you shouldn't need proof, you either believe or you don't.

Personaly an atheist, so I'm going to hell, but I have no problem with faith at all, in fact I wish people had a litle more faith in eachother, and generaly believeing in "goodness" is a great thing I believe. I don't believe in evil though, but I do believe in a-holes.
But I think believing in scriptures written by many different people from different times, with different motives, views and morals... is misguided.
Faith and scriptures/organized religion are 2 VERY different things. The church is responsible for a very large amount of murders and wars, not to mention torture and opression. For any good thing in life there will always be someone trying to exploit it, having faith in a higher power can be harmless as long as you don't have blind faith in other humans. Faith in humans is good, give people a chance if you can afford it, but never have blind faith in someone unless you know them VERY VERY VERY well... and you never know people as well as you think.

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