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bacillus:
Here's another interesting point: if you can prove the existence of god, how do you prove that there is only one god?
d-EVO:
you are totaly missing the point.
you know there are beliefs that entitle many gods. eg. paganism.
they believe that there is a god for everything. eg. rain, land, fire ect.
And they worship these gods.
so they are baisicaly worshiping idols (material objects).
this is stupid because worshiping the sky is not going to make it rain, worshiping fire is not going to protect you from burns ,ect.
we believe in one god because why would we believe in many ?!
maby I am missing your point.
Do you think that If it is possable for there to be a god, why not many gods?
well god is in essence, an all powerfull being that has total power over everything.
How can there possably be many beings that have total power over everything? It does not work.
another point
I do not believe that you should believe in god because of pascals wager.
If you believe in god just because you dont want to have the risk of going to hell, then do you trully believe in god ? if not you will go to hell anyway.
You believe in God because you want to have a relationship with him, and yes, it does include benifits such as happines and a sence of being.
Hell is not a place with little red thingies with pitchforks running around torchering dead people
Hell is eternall seperation from God.
What I am about to say is not exactly politicaly correct but...
atheists are going to hell wether you like it or not,
this goes for everybdy if God does not exist.
I want to clear up a few other things to.
first of all, I never actualy called Jahova's witness a cult.
I simply said many christians veiw it as a cult which is true.
The big bang and evolution does not even contradict genisis as much as you say it does.
It says the world was created in 7 days. 1 day is about 1 rotation of the earth. earth wasnt made yet so how could it posibly say it was made in 7 days.
I belive it was made in 7 stages.
some people ask why the bible doesn't explain how he did it.
My answer is, he could of. but if the bible said that " then nuclear fision occured in a supper dense cloud of hydrogen gass and [maxwell's Equation] and ect..." and then there was light. I dont think they would of taken it seriously in ancient times.
The only thing you could argue with is the creation of Eve from a rib of adam, but that is baisicaly saying that woman is from man and man is from woman.
The bible is a religious book unlike any other.
It makes claims that no other book would dare to make.
at least 25 % of the bible is Prophecy , and of that 80 % has come true
The odd's of this happining is imposable to comprehend
some info at this site
http://www.hopeofisrael.net/index.php?opti...4&Itemid=30
what it baisicaly says is the odds of just 8 Prophecys in the bible comeing true is about 1 in 10^17
or 1000000000000000000
but there are many more than 8 prophecys
In another calculation, 48 prophecies were used even though 456 could of being used (dont think he had a big enough calculator ) and arrived at the extremely conservative estimate that the probability of 48 prophecies being fulfilled in one person is the incredible number 1 in 10^157 !!!!!
that is a numbere with 157 didgets on it, not even going to attempt writing it.
the other 20 % are prophiceys about the end of the world. wat does that tell you?
That is all I can think of for now. any questions
ikke:
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What do you mean when you say pascal's wager assumes rationality?
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The assumtion is that people can make a rational choice and stick with it, while in truth we rationalise our emotional decisions and fail to live up to them.
Numsgil:
--- Quote from: d-EVO ---Hell is not a place with little red thingies with pitchforks running around torchering dead people
Hell is eternall seperation from God.
What I am about to say is not exactly politicaly correct but...
atheists are going to hell wether you like it or not,
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Not that it matters much, but I think that's more the definition of damnation. There are Christian sects which separate the idea of separation from God (damnation) and Satan's realm (Hell). Among them Catholics with the idea of Purgatory.
--- Quote ---The big bang and evolution does not even contradict genisis as much as you say it does.
It says the world was created in 7 days. 1 day is about 1 rotation of the earth. earth wasnt made yet so how could it posibly say it was made in 7 days.
I belive it was made in 7 stages.
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Actually, if you go to the original Hebrew the word used is yom, which in addition to meaning a day like we understand day can sometimes be used to define a period of time (much like hour in English can mean 60 minutes or a time period (see definition 5 and 6)). So that interpretation is supportable even in a literalistic interpretation of the genesis account.
--- Quote ---The bible is a religious book unlike any other.
It makes claims that no other book would dare to make.
at least 25 % of the bible is Prophecy , and of that 80 % has come true
The odd's of this happining is imposable to comprehend
some info at this site
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Except that most of the prophecy that came true is recorded only in the book itself, since it happened in prehistory. Likewise the prophecies in the new testament either are Millennial in nature or happened soon after Jesus's death, during the period of time it is believed that the new testament was written by the Apostles (60-100 AD). I'm thinking specifically of Jesus's prophecy concerning the destruction of the Temple. And of course the prophecies in Revelations which can be read to refer to the middle ages, but those are worded to be interpreted in many different ways. You can't look at the Judeo-Christian mythos and "prove" it. It's entirely self referential.
As a clearer example, in the Book of Mormon used by the LDS church, there's a prophetic verse which is clearly a reference to Joseph Smith, the translator of the book and first Prophet of the Church. If the book was an ancient record Joseph was translating, it's a prophecy that came true, and strengthens his claim to be divinely inspired. If Joseph made the book up (or used spirit writing, which I think is a more believable criticism given the way the book was written and Joseph's limited education), then it just proves him even more as a fraud. For the believers it strengthens belief, and for the cynics it strengthens disbelief. That's the pattern for the Bible as well. If it's true, it proves its truth even more. If it's false, it proves itself false even more for its need to prove itself true.
d-EVO:
--- Quote from: Numsgil ---Except that most of the prophecy that came true is recorded only in the book itself, since it happened in prehistory. Likewise the prophecies in the new testament either are Millennial in nature or happened soon after Jesus's death, during the period of time it is believed that the new testament was written by the Apostles (60-100 AD). I'm thinking specifically of Jesus's prophecy concerning the destruction of the Temple. And of course the prophecies in Revelations which can be read to refer to the middle ages, but those are worded to be interpreted in many different ways. You can't look at the Judeo-Christian mythos and "prove" it. It's entirely self referential.
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You are forgetting that many prophecys in the old testament are refering to the new.
the bible consists of many books. all written by different people at different times and places. many of the people didnt know each other. so any reference to another book is most likely unintentional
The old testiment was written long before the new.
You may argue that the new testiment must of being written to forefill prophecys in the old testiment. but the thing is, we know Jesus existed and we know what he did.
Not only from the bible but many roman texts from that time (see, not self referential). So the new testiment is not just a fairy tale written to fit with the old testiment, even though it my seem like that because it fits so well.
The bible also prophisizes the destruction of many nations. all which have happend long after 100 AD
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