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Crows are pretty damn smart
d-EVO:
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Im pretty sure that when God created the universe there was one hell of a Bang.
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Kind of like an LHC experiment gone wrong?
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lol
we should start another thread discussing what we think is actualy going to happen
Numsgil:
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--- Quote from: ikke ---Religion claims absolute truth, and by extension absolute power. People are not nice when things get absolute..
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That's something of a straw man fallacy. There are religions like that, but they're not all like that. It's like you see something's shadow and think you know all about what casts it. There are religions that cast no shadow.
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Name on religion that claims no absolute truths...
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Your problem is that you're trying to understand religions like they're doing the same thing that science is. You're equating things like the creation myths, and where we go when we die, as representative of the whole religion.
Although it's not a religion, I'd say that the Free Masons, from what I understand of them, come closest to representing what I see religions as. They're about metaphor, stories, ceremony, community, etc. It doesn't matter if the stories are "true" in the sense that you're thinking. The lessons they teach have "truth". If they didn't the religion wouldn't exist, because it wouldn't offer anything to its believers.
With Christianity, it doesn't matter if Christ was a divine figure or not. It in no way changes the "truth" of Christianity. With Buddhism, it doesn't matter if reincarnation occurs or not, Buddhism still has "truth" in its examination of the human condition. And probably what confuses scientifically minded people the most is that when it comes to spiritual truths, two ideas can be in direct conflict and still have truth.
So basically, all religions have absolute truths. It's just not in the way you're thinking.
edit: wiki has come in use one more. Life stance is pretty close to what I mean when I talk about religion.
ikke:
Don’t get me wrong. I have no issue with people comtemplating the the why of the universe, or how to live their life better. I have no issue with them taking inspiration from religious scriptures in doing so.
You’re off track if you think my interpretation of religions is the basis for the issues I have with them. For all you now I happen to think Christ is devine, or to believe Christ is devine. My interpretation is my own. The issue I have is that people are willing to burn you alive, because you have doubted the notion of Christ’s divinity, or reincarnation or whatever their interpretation is of whatever.
To me the corruption of religion is mixing the notion of absolute truths with humanity. As said people are not nice when things get absolute. Religion is a human construct, and the notion of absolute truth opens the door for abuse. It lulls people into not thinking when they should, because people are taught absolute truths exist and people have told them what they are.
This abuse can be as benevolent as people doing the right thing not because it is right, but because they will be rewarded in eternity. It regresses into social ostracism for not adhering to group standards, pressuring children and their parents into not mentioning abuse to religion based mass murder. The ideals religions embody may not be to blame but their claim to absolute truth is.
Numsgil:
Definitely, it can be used to bad ends.
Numsgil:
--- Quote ---I disagree. I'd say a cult is a religious group that performs practices viewed as negative by the general population. Satan worshipers are a cult and will remain so, so long as they do not constitute more than 50% of the population. LDS- and christian scientist- members do not perform any practices generally viewed as negative, so they are not cults. Wikipedia, btw, agrees with me.
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Do you mean Luciferism? Actually it's a fascinating religion, very different from Christianity. I wouldn't call it a cult. The emphasis is on the individual and to me a cult means strong authoritarian overtones.
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