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Offline abyaly

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« on: March 19, 2008, 11:40:24 AM »
#SS
1 - Brevis (SS)(F2)(Moonfisher)-22.03.08
2 - One Man Bucket (SS)(F2)(abyaly)-03.04.07
3 - Bardus (SS)(Moonfisher)-19.03.2008
4 - Animal_Archaea (SS)(Ecosims)MacadamiaNuts-10.08.2007
5 - Singularis (SS)(Commander_Keen)-19.03.2008
6 - Nano (SS)(MacadamiaNuts)-02.02.07
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« Last Edit: March 23, 2008, 12:37:32 AM by abyaly »
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2008, 10:57:26 PM »
Fixed rar issue.  I have to manually set each file type its OK to upload, so if anyone ever runs across a problem like that, just complain about it and I'll fix it.

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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2008, 12:29:52 AM »
If nobody minds, I'd like to impose an arbitrary-yet-reasonable 50Kb limit on SS bots for this league (I realize brevis exceeds this, but after looking through it, I believe it would be less than 50Kb if the 0 sub and x sqr dup div y sqr dup div add sgn commands were optimized).
My argument for this is that the easiest way to avoid the challenge of an SS bot would be to make some higher level code that would be compiled into very inflated DNA code that would then need to actually run (translated) in DB. To avoid a future situation where the SS version of Guardian attempts to run the league, limiting this now would be good.
Does anyone have objections? Advice? Praise of foresight?



*Note- Kb is the drivemaker's kilobyte.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2008, 12:39:54 AM by abyaly »
Lancre operated on the feudal system, which was to say, everyone feuded all
the time and handed on the fight to their descendants.
        -- (Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum)

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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2008, 02:36:26 AM »
Heh, I like xkcd too.

Instead of limiting the byte count, limit the DNA size.  Put a limit of say, 5000 DNA commands, or something like that.

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2008, 09:38:24 AM »
Sure. Let's say 10000 bp.
Lancre operated on the feudal system, which was to say, everyone feuded all
the time and handed on the fight to their descendants.
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2008, 12:43:01 PM »
FYI, all bots have an intrinsic limit of 32000 bp.  Otherwise things like .dnalen would break.
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2008, 11:43:20 AM »
DAMN Brevis is almost 13000 !!!  
This better be something I can fix with find replace and maybe removing some superficial conditions.  

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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2008, 05:44:26 PM »
Doesn't apply to brevis, naturally.
Lancre operated on the feudal system, which was to say, everyone feuded all
the time and handed on the fight to their descendants.
        -- (Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum)

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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2008, 12:02:05 AM »
Probably a stupid question, but does "Single Store" refer to inc and dec?
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2008, 12:11:48 AM »
I'm pretty sure using inc and dec would be cheating.

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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2008, 08:08:33 AM »
If you can use inc and dec you can in theory use the amount of inc or dec needed to get the value you need, you could basicaly make a full functional bot using only inc and dec, so I'm asuming they would be off limits... I'm guessing there could be another SS league allowing one inc or dec in addition, but I would say the most interesting one would still be the one with only 1 store, since it creates a big challenge, as soon as you add an inc or dec you can set flags and boost shots or shoot while moving, which I think ruins the purpose of an SS league...

And I'm glad to hear I don't need to optimize that thing, got it down to 11500 yesterday, and I think I might have been able to get it all the way down to 10000, but having to optimize a SS bot once put together is a real pain... I don't like having to concentrate that hard, one false step and nothing works...