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Darwinbots enzyme system

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shvarz:
Bots, if we wanted, it would be extremely easy for us to make perfect bots.  Take alga minimalis, throw it in the sim alone and give it plenty of food - it will conquer the world.  The point is not to create bots that are very good in environment that we give them, but bots that represent real life with all its imperfections, balances and tradeoffs.  The system that we have right now allows creationf of "cheap and good" bots, but no one is absolutely happy with it.  It's the other way around - everyone (including me) wants to make life more difficult and complicated for bots, because harsh and complex conditions lead to appearance of specilized and complex bots.  Does it make sense?

Botsareus:
ok , teaches me not to talk were people are talking about stuff I dont understand. Don't reply , I still have a problem in "Advanced Randomness Generation Thread" we need to sort out.

Zelos:
I like the system numsgil have came whit, cant see any problems whit it. If it cost to have many enzymes active and have big enzymes the bots wont allways create as many possible. but still there shall be a limit, I think less than 10, feels best. thats a amount which I think would force them to specialize. buts numsgil, why do you have 2 reactions whit H2S + CO2? sounds kinda stupid unless the 1 whit light gives 2 carbs. how about this list:
Light + CO2 + H20 -> 3 carbs + O2
Light + CO2 + H2S -> 2 carbs + H20 + S (poisoned by O2)
S + H20 + O2 -> 2 SO4 + nrg
H2S + CO2 -> S + H20 + carbs (or nrg)
FeS + H2S -> FeS2 + nrg
NH3 + 3O2 -> NO2 + H20 + nrg
NO2 + O2 -> NO3
carbs + O2 -> 5 nrg
carbs -> nrg (lifge can break down glycose by it self to get energy, not much but some)
digesting fats -> fats
digesting nrg -> nrg
digesting carbs -> carbs
metablozing poison
digesting muscles -> proteins
digesting proteins -> proteins
digesting limestone(calcium) to use in shell
digesting silicate to use in shells
digesting slime -> carbs
digesting protiens -> NH3 + CO2 + nrg + aminoacids
NO3 + carbs + aminoacids-> proteins
protein + nrg -> muscle
amino acids -> nrg

how about it?

Numsgil:
We can figure out the reactions as we go along.  Ideally the enzyme sytem will exist independantly of the reactions.  (If that just blew your mind, get off crack :P)

shvarz:
I am still not covinced about the benefits of having O2, CO2 and H20.  The change in atmosphere took millions of years, we are not even approaching this level of modeling.  

Are you thinking about having these in env.grid?  With what values (how much per location)?  CO2 does not exist in form of gas in the water, how are you going to approach that?  

I think we should just assume that there is enough of each in the sim, so that bots don't have to worry about that.  Maybe have "aerobic/anaerobic" checkmark in options.

And why are people so hot on oxidizing sulpher/iron?

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