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Jez:
--- Quote from: Griz ---Version 2.42.9r ...
compiled version.
F1 Leagues
attempted to rerun the league ...
things went along well for quite awhile until it came to
the contest between Virulus Discretus and Virulus Spinnens ...
which apparently both died out in the same cycle ...
DB ending up in some loop it couldn't get out of ...
leaving me no choice but to Ctrl/Alt/Delete and stop the task.
so, no error message or anything.
--- End quote ---
Interesting, I thought that bug had been caught now and hammered out of existance.
--- Quote ---also noted that in earier matches, clicking the InstaWin ...
even when taking great care to click as fast as possible ...
the Wins would often be upgraded by 2, not just 1.
--- End quote ---
Also noticed that, I'm gonna have to make these bugs into seperate posts tomorrow, not fair to make Eric read through all the posts to find multiple bugs from one thread.
--- Quote ---fyi ...
the standings up to that point were as follows:
1 - Callidus (F1Vir)(Shen)-05.04.05
2 - The One (1G)(Shen)-23.04.05
3 - DIN (F1)(Endy(Mod))-21.02.05
4 - Dominator Invincibalis(DOM INV) (F1)(PY)-pre 18.06.04
5 - Destinatus Preliator (F2)(PY)-16.09.04
6 - Darth Shimazu (F1)(Henk)-pre 30.07.04
7 - Spanish Conquistador (6GVir)(Numsgil)-12.05.05
8 - Animal Supremus (F1Vir)(Elite(Mod))-22.01.06
9 - DIN2 (F1)(Endy(Mod))-02.04.05
10- James 4 (F1)(Jez)-27.07.04
11- Duplo Simpleboticus (F2)(Jez&PY)-01.03.04
12 - Carnatus Orbis (F1)(PY)-20.09.04
13- HDV4 (F1)(PY)-pre 30.07.04
14 - Kyushu (F1)(Henk)-08.05.06
15 - UNA 3.0 (1G)(Elite)-29.04.06
16- Virulus Discretus (F1)(Flowin)-02.03.04
17- Virulus Spinnens (F1)(Flowin)-01.03.04
--- End quote ---
Different from what I remember last time I tried a rerun, thought Spanish C came top and Animal S came about third. Only got to 14th match (best yet of three (no win button) reruns) before that nasty overflow bug killed the sim.
--- Quote ---I've saved these, seeing as DB doesn't seem to save/update
the leaguefile unless the entire league gets run ...
so I have to start over every time.
I don't know that anyone's made it thru the whole thing yet
to get a final ranking.
so for now I'm making three leagues ...
the top 10 here in F1A ...
#11-#20 and #21-#30 in two more ...
in an effort to at least get thru them and see if everything is
saved correctly when a league completes.
then I'll have to run some challenges ...
#21 challenging the 20-11 league ...
then #11 challenging the top 10 ...
to see if any of them are able to work their way up.
that's the plan for now.
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I did wonder how easy it would be change program to save sim after each re-entry had been run, allowing for interrupted reruns of the league, a while ago. Good idea to slim the league length down in the meantime, maybe starting the league with just one bot and re-entering each bot by turn would be better. Might identify if it is a bot causing the trouble.
Every time, using VB debugger, I have used the win button to speed things up I have hit the same bug, wonder why it doesn't seem to show up when not using the debugger.
Griz:
--- Quote from: Jez ---I did wonder how easy it would be change program to save sim after each re-entry had been run, allowing for interrupted reruns of the league, a while ago. Good idea to slim the league length down in the meantime, maybe starting the league with just one bot and re-entering each bot by turn would be better. Might identify if it is a bot causing the trouble.
--- End quote ---
yeah ... thought about that too ...
using the 'challenger' mode but then that likely uses different code.
I wonder how my results could be so different ... your Spanish C and Animal S
ending up ranked so much higher?
what that tells me is ... this thing isn't as consistent as we would like to think it is.
I mean, as long as it takes to run a whole league ...
who would ever do it again to see if the results were the same?
in fact ... I will do the short list of the top 10 at least twice ...
just to see if the results are consistent.
if not ... well ... then I guess we will be rethinking a few things.
btw ... do you have a list of what you think the ranking is from 1-30?
I must say I wondered why UNA 3.0 was listed first ...
unless as a 'rabbit' to force new matches all the way down the list.
--- Quote ---Every time, using VB debugger, I have used the win button to speed things up I have hit the same bug, wonder why it doesn't seem to show up when not using the debugger.
--- End quote ---
Hmmmmm ....
I have been running compiled ... hoping to get an error.sim file that I can
then load in and run in the VB version ... but had the prog 'hang' on me instead.
also ... I was very careful to strike that button as quickly as I could to NOT get the bug ...
so perhaps I'll redo it and see if I can get it to happen compiled ...
or with the VB to see if I can see where the error comes in.
see ... here is the problem with this forum, imo ...
if you already reported that ... I haven't a clue as where to find it.
well ... will experiment.
where do you want the league bug reports then ... if not here in league problems?
can we do a League Bugs thread under Bugs?
ta ta
Jez:
--- Quote from: Griz ---I wonder how my results could be so different ... your Spanish C and Animal S
ending up ranked so much higher?
what that tells me is ... this thing isn't as consistent as we would like to think it is...
who would ever do it again to see if the results were the same?
--- End quote ---
Well there is always the chance that you used the win button and changed a match result, other than that, seeing as I've had what looked like identical results (didn't record so not 100% sure) four times now (never complete lists though) I would guess that it is differences in the way the leagues are set up on each of our pc's.
--- Quote ---btw ... do you have a list of what you think the ranking is from 1-30?
I must say I wondered why UNA 3.0 was listed first ...
unless as a 'rabbit' to force new matches all the way down the list.
--- End quote ---
I have a record of the last list I obtained before the sim crashed. It looks like it will only be accurate for the first 6 or 7 bots and even then... you'll see why when it's posted. Una gained its top position in league in a previous version of DB, it either used a dead exploit or suffered from a subsequent DB change.
--- Quote ---also ... I was very careful to strike that button as quickly as I could to NOT get the bug ...
so perhaps I'll redo it and see if I can get it to happen compiled ...
--- End quote ---
I've used the win button on just one match before and then had that error pop up a couple of matches later.
--- Quote ---see ... here is the problem with this forum, imo ...
if you already reported that ... I haven't a clue as where to find it.
--- End quote ---
I lost internet connection yesterday so not had a chance to do a little clean up of the thread, it's been my messy reporting of bugs, why Eric asks us to make a new thread for each bug. Seeing as it was me that posted it originally I would, no doubt, have made it just as hard to find on the wiki. Think of it as a filing/poster problem not a forum problem...
--- Quote ---where do you want the league bug reports then ... if not here in league problems?
--- End quote ---
All bug reports to go in their own threads in the bug part of forum. I set this thread up to filter out user problems with the leagues etc.
Griz:
--- Quote ---
--- Quote ---I wonder how my results could be so different ... your Spanish C and Animal S
ending up ranked so much higher?
what that tells me is ... this thing isn't as consistent as we would like to think it is...
who would ever do it again to see if the results were the same?
--- End quote ---
Well there is always the chance that you used the win button and changed a match result, other than that, seeing as I've had what looked like identical results (didn't record so not 100% sure) four times now (never complete lists though) I would guess that it is differences in the way the leagues are set up on each of our pc's.
--- End quote ---
???
how can they be set up different?
I didn't use the win button to change any results ...
unless the outcome was an obvious rout ...
I let those close contenders do their thing for however long it took.
Darth Shimazu defeated Spanish C, and Spanish C defeated Animal S.
how can that be different on my PC than on yours?
certainly something as simple as using a different 'seed' shouldn't
affect the results ...
after all we have that 'statistically accurate' function working in there, eh?
now ...
if by different league setup you mean F1 might not override all parameters ...
I can see that. and if that is the case, then how are anyone's results ever
going to be the same as somebody else's?
would be interesting to see if other people get different results ...
'cause if so, how are we going to be able to call 'Offical League Standings'
official?
I'll run these top 10 again a few times and see where Animal and Spanish C end up.
maybe others can do the same?
shouldn't take too long with just 10 bots.
1 - Callidus (F1Vir)(Shen)-05.04.05
2 - The One (1G)(Shen)-23.04.05
3 - DIN (F1)(Endy(Mod))-21.02.05
4 - Dominator Invincibalis(DOM INV) (F1)(PY)-pre 18.06.04
5 - Destinatus Preliator (F2)(PY)-16.09.04
6 - Darth Shimazu (F1)(Henk)-pre 30.07.04
7 - Spanish Conquistador (6GVir)(Numsgil)-12.05.05
8 - Animal Supremus (F1Vir)(Elite(Mod))-22.01.06
9 - DIN2 (F1)(Endy(Mod))-02.04.05
10- James 4 (F1)(Jez)-27.07.04
Jez:
--- Quote from: Griz ---how can they be set up different?
I didn't use the win button to change any results ...
unless the outcome was an obvious rout ...
I let those close contenders do their thing for however long it took.
--- End quote ---
I have seen rounds go down to just one bot left v lots of others, on both sides, several times in just one round before, I don't know how you define 'an obvious rout'. To me it is when one bot doesn't work.
--- Quote ---Darth Shimazu defeated Spanish C, and Spanish C defeated Animal S.
how can that be different on my PC than on yours?
certainly something as simple as using a different 'seed' shouldn't
affect the results ...
after all we have that 'statistically accurate' function working in there, eh?
now ...
if by different league setup you mean F1 might not override all parameters ...
I can see that. and if that is the case, then how are anyone's results ever
going to be the same as somebody else's?
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I am worried that we have missed a default setting. If we can work out what it is it can be defaulted. (you and me getting different results to each other but same results on our own reruns suggests this may be the problem)
--- Quote ---I'll run these top 10 again a few times and see where Animal and Spanish C end up.
maybe others can do the same?
shouldn't take too long with just 10 bots.
--- End quote ---
I would suggest 4 or 5 bots without the win button and IME that can still take over 24hrs. (Hopefully not with the bots we choose though!)
Calllidus v The One v Spanish C v Animal S v DIN?
I'll set it up as soon as I see a reply from you on this, if you want to do the full ten I will as well but can't promise it will get to end, plus it will take me a couple of days probably to get each final result.
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