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Code center => Bugs and fixes => Topic started by: Peter on December 09, 2007, 04:14:02 PM
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I can't get to IM anyhow, how could this be.
Somehow I've got a feeling some settings are wrong anyhow.
The settings in intsett.ini
Peter
ftp://darwinbots.serveftp.com (http://ftp://darwinbots.serveftp.com)
Pwdbox
Proxybox
proxyn
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There doesn't even be a structure in the error's, one time I had this error, and this over and over. Happened just one time.
(short version, I don't think it is a good idea to post it full )
9-12-2007 22:02:35: Server unreachable. Teleporting intrasim.
9-12-2007 22:02:35: Unable to upload organism
9-12-2007 22:02:35: Problem uploading population file.
9-12-2007 22:02:36: Problem downloading population files.
9-12-2007 22:02:36: Unable to upload organism
9-12-2007 22:02:56: Server unreachable. Teleporting intrasim.
9-12-2007 22:02:57: Unable to upload organism
9-12-2007 22:02:57: Problem uploading population file.
9-12-2007 22:02:57: Problem downloading population files.
9-12-2007 22:02:57: Unable to upload organism
Normal I have this error without any upload/download erroring.
9-12-2007 22:09:25: Server Unreachable. Teleporting intrasim.
9-12-2007 22:10:34: Server Unreachable. Teleporting intrasim.
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Forgive me if this is something you've already checked, but is your firewall blocking either Darwinbots or programs accessing FTP?
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The FTP server has been down since late last night I think. I can connect, but all FTP operations fail with the command line FTP app. It's Sunday. I expect GoDaddy turns off FTP changes while they are backing up the server(s).
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I tried searching GoDaddy's site, but I can't find any information about when they back up, or FTP being unavailable. So your guess is as good as mine.
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FTP operations are still failing as of 8am PST Monday. I can log on, but directory operations fail. This is using the Windows FTP command line app, so has nothing to do with DB.
GoDaddy's servers are in the Mountain timezone in the US, at least that is what the FTP logon response says and this makes sense as the outage seems to begin right around midnight Saturday in that time zone each weekend, which is why I suspect backup.
But this has now gone on for 32 hours. Someone (Nums I guess I mean you as I don't have the account details or the admin credentials) should call GoDaddy. Perhaps they forgot to flip the FTP switch back to normal... Better yet, we should switch IM to a real FTP server...
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I still can't connect, and as sharz said there where already 11 sims connected (http://www.darwinbots.com/Forum/index.php?showtopic=2401&st=0&gopid=1373340&#), I believe there is something wrong.
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I still can't connect, and as sharz said there where already 11 sims connected (http://www.darwinbots.com/Forum/index.php?showtopic=2401&st=0&gopid=1373340&#), I believe there is something wrong.
There arn't. He's just seeing the local pop files.
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There arn't. He's just seeing the local pop files.
Well, okay. Please say if the connection is fine again, cause I couldn't connect before sunday eather. If I don't get a connetion I don't know if it is the fts-server or something with my connection or anything.
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Things seem to be working fine again. Not completely sure it was the issue for me, but rebooting my Linksys firewall appliance seems have addressed my specific connection issues...
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Well, I still can't connect, I have just restarted thomson firewall, it doesn't work in my case.
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Peter, you used to be able to connect, right? When did the problem start? Try running an older version and see if the older version works (try version j, k, l, something in that range).
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Yes, I used to be connected, even before FP takes all.
The problem started at my guesing atleast something like a week ago. Older versions don't seem to work eather.
And a question, does the clicking on the link I posted in the first post ( ftp://darwinbots.serveftp.com (http://ftp://darwinbots.serveftp.com) ), does it bring you to something, do you get some popup or anything, all I get is, and my guesing is, that it isn't good. For good notice I used to connect well to other ftp-servers.
Error!
Could not connect. FTP server may be too busy.
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I just get a timeout error when clicking on that link. But I can connect to DB IM fine.
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The intsett file isn't used anymore as far as I know. ServeFTP is a service that lets a user set up a DNS lookup for their IP. It would be used if the FTP server was running on someone's home computer and that person didn't have a static IP.
I believe that serveFTP account is from back when Carlo had a FTP server running. It has nothing to do with modern internet sharing.
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I believe that serveFTP account is from back when Carlo had a FTP server running. It has nothing to do with modern internet sharing.
This is correct. With the exception of the Internet Name (e.g. Peter, EricL3, Bot House) everything in the internet ini file is ignored currently. The actual paramters - server name, password, etc. - are hard coded in the exe a present for security reasons. I haven't done away with the internet ini file as that is where the settings will live again once I implement multple internet modes, ad hoc mode and when we move off the web server and on to a real FTP service. The internal hard coding is temporary.
Sorry I didn't tmake this clear earlier. Been a busy day.
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Ok, so what is the new adres if I may know, so I can check if it is something with the connection.
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ftp://ftp.darwinbots.com (http://ftp://ftp.darwinbots.com)
I am not going to post the credentials so don't ask me.
IM appears to be working fine at the moment. Try restarting DB and or the machine. If that does not work, please post what result you get in the log window.
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Link works fine,
And the error, it is still desame as earlier posted.
14-12-2007 17:07:33: I_Flamma.txt sent to internet.
14-12-2007 17:07:33: Server Unreachable. Teleporting intrasim.
14-12-2007 17:07:51: I_Flamma.txt teleported within sim.
14-12-2007 17:07:54: Alga_Minimalis.txt teleported within sim.
14-12-2007 17:07:56: Server Unreachable. Teleporting intrasim.
Edit: Some further notices, windows has been restarted muliple times, DB too, original version has been reinstaled too, also doesn't works at earlier versions.
Edit2: deleting f1 folder doesn't work eather, strange thing found : it founded a second sim, that second one was a previous-sim I had run, under the name newbie.
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Try this one. I has more error message detail. If it doesn't work, tell me what the log says.
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I started in a complete empty sim,
14-12-2007 17:36:40: Error disconnecting Unable to connect to remote host
14-12-2007 17:36:40: Server Unreachable. Teleporting intrasim.
14-12-2007 17:36:40: Error disconnecting Unable to connect to remote host
Here I thought it wasn't doing anything and I loaded a sim.
14-12-2007 17:37:20: Error Deleting Remote Pop file Still executing last request
14-12-2007 17:37:20: Error disconnecting Still executing last request
14-12-2007 17:37:55: Error disconnecting Still executing last request
14-12-2007 17:37:55: Server Unreachable. Teleporting intrasim.
14-12-2007 17:37:55: Error disconnecting Still executing last request
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Make sure any other windows you have open are closed, particularly ones you might have used to test the link. You might be hitting the per IP session limit...
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Ok, have closed anything, even deactivated firewall and virus scanner. No difference.
Another log, only strange thing that a every sim only the first bot is teleported to out. There are now 5 bots in the out-folder.
14-12-2007 17:58:03: Alga_Minimalis.txt sent to internet.
14-12-2007 17:58:09: Alga_Minimalis.txt teleported within sim.
14-12-2007 17:58:17: I_Flamma.txt teleported within sim.
14-12-2007 17:58:20: I_Flamma.txt teleported within sim.
14-12-2007 17:58:50: Error disconnecting Request timed out
14-12-2007 17:58:50: Server Unreachable. Teleporting intrasim.
14-12-2007 17:58:50: Error disconnecting Unable to connect to remote host
14-12-2007 17:58:53: Alga_Minimalis.txt teleported within sim.
14-12-2007 17:58:53: I_Flamma.txt teleported within sim.
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Don't know what to tell you. Maybe there's a blacklist somewhere server side. Maybe somethign client side. Check your NAT device. Reboot your cable modem or whatever. Could be some sort of cached credentials thing...
The single teleport out is a bug at sim start time.
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Modem has already been rebooted and that didn't help that time.
Well, if there was a blacklist I'd wonder how I have gotten on it.
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Or maybe a Windows update changed wininet.dll.
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Or maybe a Windows update changed wininet.dll.
Well, then there would be others wouldn't there, althrough you could be right somehow.
Anyway, I just started DB on a litle older computer.
It gets some errors on startup.
Every minute you hear the harddisk making a sound like ,tic ,tic ,tic. Including the install.
The screen flikkers somewhat.
It starts up DB and IM just fine. First after starting nothing teleported in anyhow. If I create a sim and start it, I suddenly get 9 sims connected. It works on a old one why doesn't it work on the newer computer. I have put the computer off after, I don't trust the ticking.
So it isn't the server, neather the modem, probably something on windows. Lets search.
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Definately seems to be something on your computer if an older computer works. I guess try reinstalling Darwinbots again?
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Another reinstall didn't fix it eather. Grumble, grumble.
14-12-2007 19:08:53: Error disconnecting Unable to connect to remote host
14-12-2007 19:08:53: Server Unreachable. Teleporting intrasim.
14-12-2007 19:08:53: Error disconnecting Unable to connect to remote host
14-12-2007 19:09:20: Error disconnecting Unable to connect to remote host
14-12-2007 19:09:20: Server Unreachable. Teleporting intrasim.
14-12-2007 19:09:21: Error disconnecting Unable to connect to remote host
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XP should have a "system restore point" you can use to roll back changes to windows from the last few months. Try using it to roll back changes to a time when DB was working properly and see if it fixes it. If so, it's probably a driver or settings thing.
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I thinking a local firewall, perhaps one installed with an anti-virus app - has the DB exe on a local blacklist...
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XP should have a "system restore point" you can use to roll back changes to windows from the last few months. Try using it to roll back changes to a time when DB was working properly and see if it fixes it. If so, it's probably a driver or settings thing.
Well, it seems like a good idea, but with the experience I have gotten before with a restore point, I maneged to get a blue screen anytime there was a network-connection, and after the system restore I was just getting a blue screen at every normal startup. Save-startup worked atleast. In the end I had to reinstall windows.
I thinking a local firewall, perhaps one installed with an anti-virus app - has the DB exe on a local blacklist...
I have had already put anything off including anti-virus and a firewall.
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System restore didn't help eather.
Found something strange again, I am not connected to any other sim and still I see connected to 2sims. It doesn't seem to delete old population files, from previous runs.
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You know any programs to check the network-connectivity, or any idea what kind of problem there could be. It seems DB ism't the only program that is having trouble, I am going to get some more info of some other OS's
I have found already one bug when I tried to repear my lan-connection. ARP-cache can't be deleted, yeah microsoft. Atleast that piece is fixed, now.
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Maybe try releasing and renewing your IP address?
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Maybe try releasing and renewing your IP address?
I gues you mean the internal IP-adress, I have done that, and it didn't help .
If you mean the external, I am wondering how. Now I am looking.
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Try to use a proxy ?
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Try to use a proxy ?
I could try anything, but I am pretty sure it is something in windows. Oh well let's sum up, maybe someone will see it. I will try proxy, it can't hurt.
Connections from the same network is working.
System restore did'nt help.
With virus-scanners and firewall off it doesn't work.
Reinstalling DB didn't help.
'Funny' thing.
In the modem/router whatever thingy. If I run a connection-test it says there isn't a internet connection ,I gues I am right now connected, or is the computer fooling me, maybe it is, it is just trying to test me,hmmm.
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It's your windows install. All the various things your describing, and the exhausted error checking in other areas, suggests to me that your windows install is broken somehow. Remember that the old computer managed to work using the existing connection. And you're variously getting blue screens of death, and experiencing problems with other apps.
If you have the time and patience, I would:
1. Get a program like Partition Magic and partition your hard drive (if you haven't already. Partitions are a good idea regardless).
2. Install a fresh windows install on the new partition.
3. Slowly install new programs on the new windows version as you need them, only going back to the old windows install occasionally.
My desktop has 3 partitions on the primary hard drive, with 3 OS installed: 2 XP Professional installs (one is about 4 years old. My Granny OS ) and an old 98SE install I use to play DOS games.
If this sounds unreasonable, then you have to track down the problem, which could be anything from adware to some obscure registry setting. If you're lucky it's adware, and can be removed quite easily. It could also be a recently installed program, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that.
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Or, you could be a little violent and format your computer.
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Nah, no formatting.
First it isn't as bad that I am getting blue screens of death jet, this one just has reminded me of the last time I had some network problems.
You have got a special partition for win98, for old games I just use a old computer.
And I am just going to do a reainstall on the same computer, Means registry will be reset but many programs really don't care, means I have to check witch ones care, means I'd better make a backup.
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Reinstalling over an existing install isn't quite the same as starting fresh. At least I don't think so. I've had to reinstall an OS before, and generally I got the impression that it's more like bulldozing a house and rebuilding on the lot without removing any of the old junk.
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I recommend having your firewall up and running (not windows firewall) BEFORE you make the first internet connection after a fresh windows install, and then immedately update your firewall, then windows update, then install antimalware programs and update those before doing anything else.
After a fresh install of windows all security holes in windows will be wide open for hacker access. There are tons of ways hackers can use windows services to get total control of your computer and do anything they want. If you have internet access without a good firewall for half an hour or more you can expect anything to get messed up inside your computer. In such a case there's no point in even trying to figure out what's wrong. It's better to just format your hard drive and reinstall all over again. I made this mistake myself once.
Just by looking at my current firewall logs I see I get port scans two times per minute from various IP addresses.
Another problem is getting the right drivers for your hardware. The lack of information on manufacturers sites to get the right one is terrible! Usually that is what causes blue screen of deaths, bad drivers, drivers installed over windows drivers messing it up, wrong drivers, bla-bla.
Sorry if I got a bit long winded here but I think this can't be said enough. I have had to fix systems for several friends and family members because they don't follow these rules, and it appears to me most people don't have any knowledge about these things.
And forget system restore. It's a joke. Better to make your own backup of your system if you can.
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I think that's a bit extreme Testlund, but I make it a rule not to disillusion people who play it right better than I do Bottom line, though, is that unless a hacker gets to run* something on your computer, they don't get access to anything. That's true even from the Windows 3.1 days.
*(Some windows accesseries, like Outlook, can, in older versions more so, automatically run various scripts. This was used to cause mass email viruses back in the day. Not really an issue anymore: Microsoft learned its lesson. And this was a pretty superficial breach of privacy: all it did was propogate itself. Alot. So much so that it flooded servers.)
A far bigger threat for the modern internet user is adware. They install all sorts of crap that the internet tells them too, not knowing what it does. It mostly causes popups, and makes a computer run and boot slowly. I haven't had a single virus or trojan on a computer of mine in years. Much of that time was *gasp* spent unprotected. No or crippled virus protection. But adware I end up with out the wazoo. And I'm a relatively savvy computer user. It's just packaged with everything free. And I download free crap all the time.
So I'm thinking that it's possible some adware has mangeld Peter's settings. Installed a bogus driver or something. Another possibility is that he's installed a broken VB program that screwed with the VB run times.
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I admit I have no idea HOW they are doing it, I can only go on what I've seen and read about. I agree that it's mostly adware and spyware nowadays, just trying to force people to buy software with annoying popups or browser hijacking, or steal personal information like passwords and credit card numbers, but sometimes they just wants to destroy something, like access deny attacks that causes some things to stop working with windows, maybe a windows service with internet access.
Sometimes they can exploit other programs that uses internet access, or they come bundled with little games and utilities.
And as you say they can very well have bad written drivers that screws your system because they most likely don't care if their software runs nice or not.
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Nope it isn't spyware. I did a scan with various scanners, all updated. Result some tracking cookies, yes, that is seen as spyware.
Well I gues your a bit extreme there too, Testlund. A good example is my sister, the computer is running for some time and I am sure there isn't a virus-scanner. The only firewall is from windows, and that one isn't always running eather, the computer runs fine, maybe somewhat slow, but fine.
I don't have much spyware or viruses, and I am just as Numsgil downloading a lot of free stuff.
But, Testlund are you seriously getting every minute a few portscans. My router has got in total not even 10 in the last week, I can't even recall if my computer even has had a portscan.
I haven't done a reinstall windows jet, but.
I have played a little with the register. DB works, don't ask how, but it works. Right now I am going to see if I can recall what steps I have done.
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Yeah, I've heard about people saying they don't use any security software and they never have
problems. That's the thing when it comes to computers, that two people with the same computers
can experience totally different things. My brother says I'm too extreme too and he doesn't
use any firewall.
I'm thinking that in many situations people may not know the difference how a computer behaves
when it's infected or not. I don't know about your router, but I know about people that didn't even
know their computers were infected until they installed security software that tells them about
it. The purpose with malicious code after all is to run undetected. How can you know if it's a
software bug or vulnerable code that mess things up for you?
Some people just gets infected more than others. It may depend on what you download, what sites you
browse at, or just a random port scan that happens to connect through a vulnerability in your system.
On occasion it can be a targeted attack too. Some people are just bad code magnets, like teenage girls for instance that chats a lot on messenger, sharing pictures and downloading all those little cute games with malware in them.
After my sisters daughter had been using my mothers computer for a weekend I found over 200 viruses in it! After that happend I also found a hacker that managed to get access through a flaw in Norton Internet Security (firewall and antivirus bundle) that automatically accepted access thinking it was a trusted network, causing the same hijacking of Internet Explorer, even after a fresh install of Windows. Just to name an example what can happend once a hacker finds a nice target.
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Well, your point is clear, computer-defence is needed.
Ofcource it is needed, but he.
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If you have internet access without a good firewall for half an hour or more you can expect anything to get messed up inside your computer.
You say just the acess to internet for half an hour could break a computer, let I just say that my computer was todat for something like a few hours completely unprotected, nothing no virus-scanner no firewall anything, I stopped any program from starting up to check the network-problems. I have forget to put them on, your speech inmidatly made me put it back on.
And the teenage girl you describe looks awful much like my sister, she hasn't got any problems, atleast she doesn't say she have. Maybe do a little scan on her computer, it wouldn't suprise me if it was serious infected.
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Testlund have you checked a internet port-scanner, with that many port-scans it seems to me they aren't like they call it 'stealth'. So it can be seen there is a computer a the IP, and the scans are being done to attack if the configuration has changed and a port is unblocked.
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Port scans aren't always malicious. Especially if you're behind a router: your actual computer isn't visible to the internet. Only your router is. And most routers by default disallow access to their internals from the outside of the network.
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Yeah, routers are pretty secure, I forgot to mension that, but only for inbound connections. They won't stop a trojan horse though.
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Testlund have you checked a internet port-scanner, with that many port-scans it seems to me they aren't like they call it 'stealth'. So it can be seen there is a computer a the IP, and the scans are being done to attack if the configuration has changed and a port is unblocked.
Nothing gets unblocked. It just records that something tries to access but fails. Not all port scans are hacker activity, I know that, but it's hard to know which is and which isn't.
By the way, Peter... If you have a router together with the Comodo Firewall I recommended your computer should be solid proof, unless you happen to allow access for something that shouldn't. I've been thinking about getting a router myself, but it appears I don't need it. Haven't had any serious security issues yet. Knock on wood.
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By the way, Peter... If you have a router together with the Comodo Firewall I recommended your computer should be solid proof, unless you happen to allow access for something that shouldn't. I've been thinking about getting a router myself, but it appears I don't need it. Haven't had any serious security issues yet. Knock on wood.
Well, the reason for me to have a router hasn't got anything to do with security. Mainly it is becouse it was included to the phone/internet connection, means it was free.
It is routing the phone and the computers nicely just what it has to do, and it is even taking care for the security of the network.
Also has a fast lan-connection on local network it has a ping 1 or 2 miliseconds on the network, means it is fast enough to play games on a harddisk onto another computer, that works fine, have tested. Ofcource a bit pointless to play games on the computer that is just a room away, but eh, yes.. it saves diskspace .