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Code center => Darwinbots3 => Topic started by: Welwordion on November 21, 2014, 02:23:11 AM
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Heh , like often when I retry darwinbots 2 I got annoyed at certain limitations , conceptual problems, so I thought: lets see I am just a hobby programmer but maybe I find something I can help with to speed darwinbots 3 development up.
So after I finally figured out how to download a subversion file(shamefully years after I encountered the first svn directory in the internet)
I first tried to open it on visual c# studio express 2010 but, when that was incompatible I tried to install 2013 unfortunately I have been to lazy and stingy to replace my windows xp so not possible.
Then it hit me does darwinbots 3 use NET 4.5? will it be even compatible with windows xp?
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Oh good god, well....
Some sad news for you, WinXP is no longer supported...In other words, programs have stopped being programmed to work with in (90% of the time).
Its to outdated, for gods sake...They're already starting Win10 (though not Win9, probably to distance themselves for Win8 which is worse than Win7).
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Dude I know its not supported anymore, you think I am stupid?
I just had not really any problems beside 1 game yet with windows xp and that game strangely run on an even older pc with windows xp.
Fact is work on darwinbots 3 started before xp support was canceled before 2013 and most likely before NET 4.5.
So I am thankful for the reply but if you can not clearly answer the question and do not have anything sensible to say maybe less words are better.
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Yes, DB3 targets .Net 4.5.1, probably was a automatic migration when the project switched to VS2013. As a result xp is indeed not compatible with DB3. Sadly it doesn't work on XP anymore. But it's something that would be done eventually, can't stick with older .Net versions just to stick with XP(for a program that's not released yet). Although the .Net 4.5 update is relatively minor, I didn't even realize it didn't support XP.
Maybe it's even a small change to keep support open for .Net 4 for a while longer, but that's something Numsgil should answer.
I think windows 8 works splendid. Not all is perfect(using metro & desktop apps at the same time is annoying), but overall it works quite well.
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Thx peter guess I will have to continue to prepare a multiboot system,because with all the data and software I collected its a pain in the ass to move everything or to find where the hell I got the software from etc. so no way I am going to try to transfer everything to another windows ^^
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Ahh good ol' multiboots
1 Linux Ubuntu, 1 Windows 8.1 (which I never use?) and 2 Windows 7 (1 for development and 1 for, my stuff :3)
And my computer can still run games at 30 FPS
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I've generally kept DB3 targeted against the latest .NET SDK. The last one wasn't very impressive, but Soon there's going to be fun stuff (http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2014/04/07/the-jit-finally-proposed-jit-and-simd-are-getting-married.aspx) to play with, so I'm trying to keep it targeted against the latest SDKs and IDEs.
You may be able to get the program to run against Mono. 99% of the code is just generic C#. The math library Azimuth has a C++ preprocessor that was compiled for Windows, so that wouldn't run on linux, but it might run on XP. The graphics library is targetting DX9, so that too won't work on linux (without maybe Wine or something along those lines) but it might work on XP. But I'll definitely say XP is not a supported platform (in fact, the only supported platform is whichever one I happen to be programming on :P Right now it's windows 7, but I might go to win10 when that's a thing).
If you're sticking with XP right now because of cost, I hear rumblings on the blogosphere that Microsoft is thinking about releasing a version of windows 8 for free.
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Do you mean windows with bing (http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2014/05/23/helping-our-hardware-partners-build-lower-cost-windows-devices/)? That's just for new tablets with a size <9 inch, bigger tablets get a discount. Almost seems coordinated with intel, who also put the atom chips for tablets on sale. Seems they want to enter the budget tablet market, the resulting tablets start around 80 euro including a one year subscription for office 365.
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Oh, I thought there was some rumblings about it for Desktop, but I can't find any mention of it online so it must just be windows with bing :/
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yes beside laziness, and a kind of hoarding attitude that has accumulated a lot of stuff on my pc, the cost was definitely a factor I waited with a new operating system.
I think I will try to get it a christmas present from someone XD.
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Ahh, why not...
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This is amazing Numsgil, thx for the link.
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... I hear rumblings on the blogosphere that Microsoft is thinking about releasing a version of windows 8 for free.
That would be surprisingly humble of them, unless it's a very chopped down version.
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hohum, I thought they did already release it for free... I guess they still did not ...
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Well, it usually comes pre-installed when you buy a new computer, especially laptops, so in that regard it's free.
I wouldn't recommend such an install for security reasons though. Better to buy it separately so you can configure it how you want it installed, without a bunch of junk software of trial versions etc.
Just like I don't want someone else to furnish my home I want to choose my computer parts and software. ;)
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Well, it usually comes pre-installed when you buy a new computer, especially laptops, so in that regard it's free.
I wouldn't recommend such an install for security reasons though. Better to buy it separately so you can configure it how you want it installed, without a bunch of junk software of trial versions etc.
Just like I don't want someone else to furnish my home I want to choose my computer parts and software. ;)
You know you can get clean ones of WIN7 and linux...
I have 2 WIN7's and WIN8 and UBUNTU...and only 1 WIN7 was standardly installed...
Multiboot with the proper WIN7's isn't to hard actually. You just have to put up with a extra CLI whenever you startup.
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I still try to stay away from apple architecture. It is either they do not know what they are doing or trying to take over. Problem is it is still 'or.'
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Apple architecture is terrible stupid.
So many simple systems devised already, for shortcuts and the like, so apple make there own one.
Good god, only IPADS I can like from apple. And even those have better android alternatives
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8 is an amazing os but people are too lazy to use touch screens
sorry if it offended anyone for being borderline productive
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8 is an amazing os but people are too lazy to use touch screens
sorry if it offended anyone for being borderline productive
8 isn't good for anything but XBOX's or tablets...Actual computers SHOULD really use 7 or linux.
Also...
XBOX's are so bad, someone got a 25 year old graphics card, and tried to UNDERCLOCK IT to the same capacity as the XBOX graphics card performs at...They couldn't...
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XBOX part agree. Just do not reduce it to a mindless pressing of random buttons.
8 part, That is the only thing it is good for.
9 part, good attempt to decentralize a nearly perfect architecture.
10 part, well good, maybe have a 4 part system where a user actually selects between an XBOX feel, an 8 feel, and a proper pointer map editor. You can choose to scrap the mouse pointer and go with an XBOX, but I highly do not recommend it. Famous good bye quote from TerminatorDelta. Also a note that the epic zone structure was awesome, but SONY scrapped the project because of a little concept called choice. Also note that no one can see past a choice they do not understand.
11 part, that is a blast from the past most probably, although choice is so highly debatable that it makes people snap.
12 part, stop killing yourself.
13 unlucky, but you can also choose to ignore anything I say.
14 I feel like I am chatting with a botnet at this point. Is this netbot?
15 Question: God damn, stop killing yourself.
16 What question?
20 It is a pain in the ass, but 'we' can only count properly to 20, thank you for making me go there.
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Fairly sure XP was initially scheduled to stop support in 2012, but was then prolonged to 2014.
Got nothing against XP in itself, but when developing software I hate trying to make things XP compatible. Sooner or later you gotta move on.
Personally think DB3 should focus on using the latest technology rather than trying to be backwards compatible (At least not as far as XP).
Personally running Win 8, and must agree the interface is annoying. It defaults to a touch screen setup even though I have no touch screen, and there is no fast and easy way to change the way things work (There is, I'm told, ways to change it, but can't be bothered and I prefer B&M about it to actually doing something about it.)
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Fairly sure XP was initially scheduled to stop support in 2012, but was then prolonged to 2014.
Got nothing against XP in itself, but when developing software I hate trying to make things XP compatible. Sooner or later you gotta move on.
Personally think DB3 should focus on using the latest technology rather than trying to be backwards compatible (At least not as far as XP).
Personally running Win 8, and must agree the interface is annoying. It defaults to a touch screen setup even though I have no touch screen, and there is no fast and easy way to change the way things work (There is, I'm told, ways to change it, but can't be bothered and I prefer B&M about it to actually doing something about it.)
As long as it works with WIN7. and when WIN10 comes out, WIN10...it would be fine, WIN8 is compatible with WIN7 applications, (A feature they added in :D) through a special WIN7 Desktop stored within WIN8.
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I like win 8. The only annoyance is the poor integration between the metro/desktop interface.
With the metro interface it's clear Microsoft focused mostly on tablets. Just got a win8 tablet, and that works quite well. On the desktop certain designs feel unnatural, but it's works nice on a tablet.
Weird thing was that it got stuck in the update process at some point so windows wouldn't load. Got a menu but couldn't press any buttons through touch. I had to attach a mouse to go through some menu recovery options. Guess it still likes the mouse over touch in heart.
Backwards compatibility isn't a new feature in windows 8. It seems one of the core features of windows to run older applications.