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Bots and Simulations => Evolution and Internet Sharing Sims => Internet Mode Commentary => Topic started by: Billy on September 01, 2014, 11:49:45 AM
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Hurrah, IM is working again!
I have a sim online right now, populated with a work in progress bot of mine, "Einstein". Occasionally I get something called "Mutate" through, but there isn't much variety other than that. So I was wondering, what is this bot and where does it come from? How is Einstein doing in other sims?
Also, to those who aren't on internet mode, and have a spare CPU core they aren't using, why not come join the fun? :)
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That is from my eco_evo simulations. Go to simulation emporium and follow instructions to configure. Works by systematically evolving a mutate robot against a base robot. For the name of any given robot go to DNA and view the label on top. Anyone can edit the names for this things at runtime, the robots are constantly evolving after all. This mode does restart once in a while as it is constantly optimizing. Just do not put a robot that dies instantly.
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Also I do recommend all my mutation modes (mutations tab in global settings). I am not running a normal IM so I have no idea how your robot is doing. If you want to progressively evolve your robot my mode is your best bet.
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Is it possible to have it set to see the normal names for such bots? Instead of having to clicking in the dna window. There may be several mutate/base bots and I would only see it as one specie.
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Sounds interesting. So you have an evosim connected to internet mode? Aren't you worried you'll get an invasion from Fruitflies or something? Or do you only have an outbound portal?
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It was a bad move on my part to put the strongest darwinbot in the world into IM :/ I just got tiered of sea snake hydra.
I am hoping that if people make there settings and robots unique enough someone will beat them. I am doing so soon myself.
Peter, the use of the graphs is to display flux between the mutate and base robots only. How about a msgbox from help that lists all unique robot tags instead?
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Also to preload a robot with a tag add
'#tag:blabla
to the DNA.
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What about.
Seasnake (base)
Seasnake (mutate)
So it can be distinguished from other base/mutated bots.
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Good idea, mod soon.
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It was a bad move on my part to put the strongest darwinbot in the world into IM :/
What might that be?
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It is really hard to beat.
And I am running the same source code everyone else is.
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Are you talking about Fruit Flies v0.21?
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I am. Just saved myself some time for another person to do some thing this stupid, I guess. Going to start a sim on XP to see how bad it has become. :/
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I have indeed had a couple of massive invasions from them, but they don't appear to be very well suited to my sim. Einstein has survived through both of them, and emerged victorious, manly through waiting until the fruit flies starve.
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In my sim there's a fight going on between 834 fruit flies, 361 etch and around 20 einstein bots. Lower in numbers, but each einstein bot is quite a bit bigger.
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That is solidly better than nothing!
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So far no one is running Billy's bot in Eco. So I can not see them.
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So far no one is running Billy's bot in Eco. So I can not see them.
It's a basic conditionless F3 bot, which varies both its reproduction threshold and the proportion of its energy it gives to the offspring, from generation to generation. In this way, it evolves without mutation, in a way, to adapt to the amount of food in the simulation.
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So far no one is running Billy's bot in Eco. So I can not see them.
What happens when the bot appears in your /in folder?
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Cool robot Billy. Source plz. :D
Peter, I have a restriction on the types of robots I receive in my mode. My overnight sim went slow as all living hell. So I am putting your mod in now and doing a reboot.
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def reprothreshold 971
def childnrg 972
start
10000 rnd .reprothreshold store
45 rnd 5 add .childnrg store
.delgene inc
stop
start
*.reprothreshold 20 rnd 10 sub add .reprothreshold *.robage - 1 add 0 floor mult store *.childnrg 2 rnd 1 sub add .childnrg *.robage - 1 add 0 floor mult store
*.eye1 *.eye2 floor *.eye3 floor *.eye4 floor *.eye5 floor *.eye6 floor *.eye7 floor *.eye8 floor *.eye9 floor *.eye1 over sub ++ sgn 0 floor swap *.eye2 over sub ++ sgn 0 floor 2 mult swap *.eye3 over sub ++ sgn 0 floor 3 mult swap *.eye4 over sub ++ sgn 0 floor 4 mult swap *.eye5 over sub ++ sgn 0 floor 5 mult swap *.eye6 over sub ++ sgn 0 floor 6 mult swap *.eye7 over sub ++ sgn 0 floor 7 mult swap *.eye8 over sub ++ sgn 0 floor 8 mult swap *.eye9 swap sub ++ sgn 0 floor 9 mult floor floor floor floor floor floor floor floor 5 sub .focuseye store
*.refvelup *.refeye *.myeye sub abs sgn mult 40 50 *.eyef sub sgn 0 floor mult add .up store
*.refveldx *.refeye *.myeye sub abs sgn mult 40 5 *.robage sub sgn 0 floor mult add .dx store
*.refxpos *.refypos angle *.eyef sgn mult *.refeye *.myeye sub sgn abs mult *.aim 100 rnd 50 sub add *.eyef - ++ 0 floor *.refeye *.myeye sub abs - ++ 0 floor add sgn mult add .setaim store
-1 *.refnrg *.refbody sub sgn 0 floor mult -6 *.refbody *.refnrg sub sgn 0 floor mult add *.refeye *.myeye sub abs sgn mult *.eyef 50 sub sgn 0 floor mult .shoot store
8 *.shoot abs sgn mult .shootval store
*.nrg *.body sub abs .strbody *.nrg *.body sub sgn 0 floor mult .fdbody *.body *.nrg sub sgn 0 floor mult add store
*.nrg *.reprothreshold sub sgn 0 floor *.childnrg mult .repro store
stop
Work in progress. Not quite F3 yet, as it uses delgene, albeit only on the first cycle of its existence.
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Catapiller just invaded. Kills Einstein extremely quickly, but also tends to die of hunger.
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That could be because not many bots incorporate stronger bots to their cause; Zombies do. I just gotta figure out how to get all of this stuff working. I have it up now, with the blue and red bots and the zombie bots.
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I followed the picture's instructions, but I'm not sure if everything is working or I did something completely wrong.
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Am I supposed to replace the red and blue bots with other bots or just remove them?
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What robot did you select for the red and blue bots? That is supposed to be your virus.
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It's divider swarm 2 virusparttakeover or something. Should I replace ALL of them? I'm thinking of also adding in some alga minimalis to get infected.
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Also, when I run Internet mode, I get this error : gaierror: [Errno 11004] getaddrinfo failed.
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Take a look at the picy again, what robot did you select?
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divider swarm 2 virusparttakeover (2).txt
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OHH. So the red and blue bots are variants of the original zombie bot, to further mutation?
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I was wondering why they were all shooting a virus.
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It is a very simple system at the core, but very effective.
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Cool. I put some into the teleporter, but I have no idea if it is working or not.
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Also, when I run Internet mode, I get this error : gaierror: [Errno 11004] getaddrinfo failed.
In Simulation setting>Internet->Server IP/URL
What do you see, did you change it?
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When I put a bot in the teleporter, this error shows up on the command console:
gaierror: [Errno 11004] getaddrinfo failed
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Oops. I'll go check. I thought nobody noticed when I first mentioned it
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It says, "Default".
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What version do you have?
If not the last, a fresh install could help. http://forum.darwinbots.com/index.php/topic,6507.msg1390277/boardseen.html#new
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It's 2.48.11. It could be my malware protection software blocking the connection.
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Try inserting this in that tab. I thought "Default." only showed on older versions.
server: 198.50.150.51
port : 79
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It does only shown in older versions. He most likely forgot to uninstall before installing or downloaded the .exe only. edit: I have no idea how he got "Wait! I have to redownload the entire thing? Problem is I do not know how. I downloaded the installer." out of that one.
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All right, I entered them in and started a new one. Let's hope this works.
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Wait, I have to redownload the entire thing? Ok, I'll try it.
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The only problem is I have no idea how.
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Where did you get the .exe from?
No one is running eco right now, but I will soon, give me 15.
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I used the installer that Peter linked.
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That is the whole thing then.
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So that means it should have worked?
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Yes.
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I'll probably try it again later.
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Peter, I have a restriction on the types of robots I receive in my mode.
Why?
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I want to keep true 'eco_evo' with just base and mutate robots.
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I want to keep true 'eco_evo' with just base and mutate robots.
What's the advantage of that? It got quite a disadvantage for IM in general.
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Well, I am sending mutated IM robots that are not eco back instead of killing them. That was a pain to figure out how to do. Do you want me to send back the Unmutated robots also? I can do that if you like.
There will be generally more people using normal IM though. It should balance out.
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Nah, let it be. No need to send back the unmutated bots. What's the advantage though?
Quick question would a eco sim accept bots from a non eco sim that are (base/mutate)?
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No.
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The advantage being that some people do not want to deal with mutations at all. Not something I prefer, but let people do what they want. You can instruct a robot not to mutate after all.
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I'm not online yet. I've been very busy lately and now I have some catching up to do about what's been going on here lately. I'm going to install the latest version now.
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Alright, I'm online! :)
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DB completely froze for me when I double-clicked on a bot. Have to re-start.
Edit: This happens everytime I double-click on a bot. I'll send you a bug report later. Now I'll just avoid double-clicking cause I want to run in IM for awhile.
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So you are running with video on, and it froze when trying to interact with UI? That never happened to me before. Does it happen all the time?
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Sorry, what I mean is, does it happen under 'normal' conditions and any OS?
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It's on my desktop with Win 7.
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I am doing a drop today, try that one with and w/o IM when chance.
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OK.
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Lionfish is choking my sim with waste shots, slowing it down.
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My fault. :P
I was testing the latest wine and DB exe and found out that IM does indeed work on Linux (I had an issue with bots saved on Linux crashing DB, as it expected Windows mode .txts (i.e. \r\n line breaks), and before I gave it a second thought a few Lionfish12 with mutations off had been teleported.
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Just out of interest, does Einstein have a foothold in anyone else's sims? The "mutate" version released (I think) by Botareus has taken over mine, and nothing seems to make a dent in their population. They seem to be well suited to situations where food is scarce. I am astonished at how well Einstein has stood up to mutation, given that it's a conditionless bot.
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Einstein was a small player in my sim(maybe 20/30 bots), but when he found a big alge colony he became a big player. 300 bots vs. and exiting 600 caterpillar bots.
While I was typing this, the whole sim emptied, and some lionfish appeared.
edit: as in the older sim vanished and replaced with lionfish. Could that be an issue with linux vs. windows linebreaks?
edit2: and all bots in the sim have been dumper in the /out folder. :blink:
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This is not my first rodeo with this thing Billy. Shadowgod tried the same stunt on me a while ago. He never forgave me.
On a side note, in theory, there is still variation on each auto restart, so after a while, I am expecting unique robots dominating IM.
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15 unique robots to be exact. There are people desperately trying to release lion with viruses.
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Ugh, the non-mutations LF kept coming back even though I flushed my sim earlier.
My sim had a spiral shape and about 30 Einstein had a foothold on one end of it. Then the algae mutated into tiny clumps and all other bots started to die, so I removed the spiral shape and turned toroidal on.
There's currently a bunch of Catapillers that have been surviving since the sim start, a couple mutate and Lionfish that refuse to die, and sporadic Einsteins and Multiply4 still coming from the teleporter.
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Here, try my mode. ;) http://forum.darwinbots.com/index.php/topic,6504.0.html
Put any initial robot you want in it. Make it as crazy as possible.
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Peter, all the bots have been dumper? Sounds like an array got screwed up. Two reasons: A. CPU messed up. B. Hacko
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Question now becomes a fixo
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Alright here, running normal IM now (rubbing hands togther in my minds eye)
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Well, yea.
The sim in question was actually running in an older version. 2.48.11, restarting the sim caused similar effect after a while. Although just the veggies disappeared this time. No issue in 2.48.13.
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Ah good, thx for the update Peter.
Btw, I think it is safe to rename Einstein into "Enstain Quickdraw" because Einstein is a pain in the ass to spell. Not related to the real person though, I think it is a good thing it is hard to spell.
edit: I hate it it when my mind stops me from finishing a point. I do think Einstein is very cool, that is why I think he deserves a name that is hard to spell. Sorry for confusion. Also, Billy, I think your robo is cool too. Your NN bot will kick Shadowgods version w/o mutations both at any time of the year. (Sorry, Shadow)
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Here, try my mode. ;) http://forum.darwinbots.com/index.php/topic,6504.0.html
Put any initial robot you want in it. Make it as crazy as possible.
I tried earlier, but I get a file not found crash when trying to run it here on Linux. Will report more details when I can.
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Restarter.exe is the culprit. It reserve a command line from db that lets it know the full path to the the db exe itself. Then it systematically shuts down the copy of PeterIM from that folder, and, the exe itself. Then, it loads up a fresh copy of db.exe. The only person I know who figured out how to make it work is Testlund, you can ask him when he is in a good mood.
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Ah good, thx for the update Peter.
Btw, I think it is safe to rename Einstein into "Enstain Quickdraw" because Einstein is a pain in the ass to spell. Not related to the real person though, I think it is a good thing it is hard to spell.
edit: I hate it it when my mind stops me from finishing a point. I do think Einstein is very cool, that is why I think he deserves a name that is hard to spell. Sorry for confusion. Also, Billy, I think your robo is cool too. Your NN bot will kick Shadowgods version w/o mutations both at any time of the year. (Sorry, Shadow)
Thanks. :)
Sorry, but what does NN stand for?
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DB completely froze for me when I double-clicked on a bot. Have to re-start.
Edit: This happens everytime I double-click on a bot. I'll send you a bug report later. Now I'll just avoid double-clicking cause I want to run in IM for awhile.
I'd actually mentioned this problem to Botsareus. It has happened to me once now on 2 different computers.
You click the bot when you just start IM and instead of the menu popping up with the data, it comes up blank, and the program freezes.
Now you can unfreeze it by clicking the X in the top right, then clicking cancel. At least that works for me :D It also doesn't seem to happen after I do that, it's a once per sim kind of bug.
I also had einstein take over my sim until lionfish showed up.
So that may be why you get a constant stream of lionfish, it's my bad, I like to leave the sim on for hours unattended and come back to view what kind of mess I've caused :D
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Testlund I put it in good old European/Russian for you: shit is weird. Do not know what else to tell you. Sorry.
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Billy, NN for Neural Network.
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Testlund, as said, I never seen this happen to my simulations before.
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Also only seems to happen with a fresh sim botsareus, if I load up an old one it doesn't happen.
It's a fresh sim, first click, occurrence.
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See if you can recreate it from vb6.
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I will have to play with it eventually myself, I just got simple non-CPU-intensive ideas from Shvarz to put in. Let me add that DB is no longer a top priority at this point for me.
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Fun days. I thought the 7th post from the top was from Testlund.
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Looks like shell level interface bunking out with python but just a guess from my minds eye, how the hell an I going to fix this? We need TomTech, I'll send him a PM.
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But in general minus the weird shell hiccups (honest answer, I am at capacity right now, and do not want to discover anything new, I am just a pure vb logician after all, it is a fun ride though, I'll give you that) IM WORKS!
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Just thought I should post a screenshot showing the result I got from the sim I've been running the whole night and up till now. Billy's Einstein wins.
I began this sim with my Velocitus bot in Eco Mode. I think it has restarted a couple of times.
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Just thought I should post a screenshot showing the result I got from the sim I've been running the whole night and up till now. Billy's Einstein wins.
I began this sim with my Velocitus bot in Eco Mode. I think it has restarted a couple of times.
Wow, that sim is crawling! I like to feed my sim only just enough to sustain a small population of bots, to keep the CPS up. Mutated Einstein is dominating over here as well, although at one point The One took over for a while.
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Billy, NN for Neural Network.
Hmm, so you think Einstein would be considered a neural network?
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Wow, that sim is crawling!
Yes, because of the combination with a lot of bots and shapes not absorbing shots. The latter is a very strong performance issue. So I changed it to make shapes absorb shots. It's just that when it restarts it will switch to shapes NOT absorbing shots.
It's a good idea to have "Dynamic Costs" on when you run in internet mode too. I will do that now.
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So today I started a new sim with my 18 designed bots, let it run for about an hour until I got a population that I thought might have a chance. Then I switched on IM mode. Not surprisingly my bots die out. Why do everybody have to make such vicious bots! Grrr! :P
This sim is with my own settings, not running any of the modes in Global Settings. I'll let it run until tomorrow.
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I was trying to run last night, but kept getting "Runtime/Error 75" actually I think I got a 5 and a 9 as well.
Restarts worked to solve this issue before, but aren't working now.
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In the DarwinBotsIM console?
If so, please give context by c/ping the full error. Here's how. (https://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/windows_dos_copy.mspx?mfr=true) As far I know, works in XP and up.
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Mutate and Base are doing well on my "shorter is better" sim. Lionfishes always go extinct on it.
I have a tiny single store bot set to repopulate, to see if it can eventually dominate the dynamic costs battle. 8)
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No I think the IM console was fine when I checked. It's a popup as the simulation freezes.
A bot was causing 75's before, so I was trying to pin it down to a bot this time, and since I was on IM I was wondering if anyone else was getting the issue from a bot jumping in?
I will keep an eye out for your bots macadamia nuts, so far I've just got a ton of the bubbles bot on my screen.
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Mutate and Base are doing well on my "shorter is better" sim. Lionfishes always go extinct on it.
I have a tiny single store bot set to repopulate, to see if it can eventually dominate the dynamic costs battle. 8)
If you open the DNA window for "Mutate" and "Base" it will tell you what the bot is at the top.
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Those bots are most likely lucky that I can't get my internet mode working. Then again, the zombie bots are practically bioweapons. Perhaps someone else could put the zombies in? I mean, a zombie Einstein would be pretty powerful.
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Hello everyone,
The shapes bug mentioned by Testlund looks interesting to me, I'll take a look. Thx for the find :)
Vrukt, error 75, also reported to Testlund, is a known issue. We need to eventually catch it in safemode for me to be able to replicate it easily. The better option will be to replicate it directly from vb, as you have the power to do, I do not at the moment, running experiments that have an overflow that I am trying to capture.
Peter, I can add the list of users to the message box I configured in help menu. That second request is a bit more tricky as I hate named pipes after Ammeh. We can consider writing a file once in a while with info. timers are not too intensive when they are not running code. Please give me a file name I can use and a place to put it. I am thinking the IM out folder is as good as any.
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Those bots are most likely lucky that I can't get my internet mode working. Then again, the zombie bots are practically bioweapons. Perhaps someone else could put the zombies in? I mean, a zombie Einstein would be pretty powerful.
I'll add them. Is it virusparttakeover.txt?
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No it's this:
Well, it's the one I want to be in there. It doesn't matter to me if you try the other zombies.
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Base wins, whatever species it is. I assume it's the leading bot in other sims too.
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Nope, the only surviving bot on my end is mutate Einstein. I've been making my sim progressively harder to survive in by reducing the amount of food.
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No it's this:
Well, it's the one I want to be in there. It doesn't matter to me if you try the other zombies.
I tried introducing it, but it was unable to survive in my barren, inhospitable sim. I'll throw a few through the portal.
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Lost my internet sim, made a new one. I don't have any copies of "Mutate" Einstein to add, but I do have my own slightly evolved version, which is currently the only species.
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Well, yeah, it IS a zombie virus, so it requires a bot in order to survive. I suggest introducing the virus to some algae or something.
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OK, someone is trolling us with base robot spam. I am getting the same thing in my eco_evo. I think I will need to polish up my rules a little more. Who ever is doing it forgot to tag the robot before releasing it into IM. It is a cool robot though.
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That "please create a description" sh*t has to go, I'll replace it with something more sane.
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Overflow protection at the serverside kicked in around 20 hours ago, I set some absurd high limit and it's been hit. Seems it dumped around 100k bots into dev/null.
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I am going to go shut down my instance of eco_evo until I implement a fix. I am not sending base or mutate robots back Peter, so in general, this has nothing to do with my specific simulation. Unless it is only me and the user messing with me currently running, because then noon will get the bots and they end up sitting on the server.
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Peter, please make sure it dumps bots randomly, not just most recent. Just an idea.
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Peter, please make sure it dumps bots randomly, not just most recent. Just an idea.
You mean the bots it's sending to other sims? Will do.
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Making some changes and rebooting. atm
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Uhuh. Is that why I get this message:
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Somewhat related.
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OK. I just decided to connect again here. I have a population of bots that might have a small chance of surviving IM. But I see I should have cleared out my outbound folder from those base bots first.
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Aaah! F****! I forgot that I can't double-click in IM! It crashed! I had a good bot that I wanted to copy dna from! It's too much work involved deleting the save folder to fix it when I have saves with sims set up, too much work going through all that again. Please fix this in your next drop, Botsareus. :boing:
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Then it's easily restored by the last aurosave. Sorry, panicked. :P
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Apparently, "server got no bots". Am I the only one online?
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Please fix this in your next drop, Botsareus.
Testlund, I have no idea how. I put Tom on it, but he is having too much fun making the gui easy on the eyes.
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Apparently, "server got no bots". Am I the only one online?
Server is quite empty after I cleaned it. There was a bug that would duplicate bots quite a bit.
There was also a vague error it got back from linux, that seems to imply to just try it again. Learned that if you try the exact same thing ten times, it goes perfectly well the 11th time. I'm kind of perplexed.
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That is one reason why I hate working with the Internet, it is not lossless. You can indeed try something 10 times and it works the 11th. :P
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I've been trying to keep mine up, but haven't been around for a few days.
Will try and keep it running now.
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I released a new sexy bot into IM :P
It's very very unlikely to survive, but I'll wait a bit to see what happens before posting it to the bestiary. :happy:
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I've got bubbles going, haven't seen much of anything yet macadamianuts, but I'll keep an eye out for yours.
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Don't forget teh zombies <P
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Anyone up for another round of eco_evo? Just set your graph updates to some arbitrary high number until Peter figures out what to do with the data I am sending him.
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There should not be any annoying "Please create a description." robots left over on the server after a while. I instructed the program to write the filename of the robot instead.
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Has anyone got any robots from me in recent times? All I am getting in 'BotsareusTestin' are robots from Peter.
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Never mind, apparently my simulation just restarted.
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Haven't had it up today myself. Have been trying to get linux working, then I'm going to try Darwinbots 2 on linux, just for the hell of it. Hoping to get slightly increased performance for IM.
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Linux is a good OS, but too much fun to get up and running. It is not stupid proof. I do not even want to touch it. Not yet anyway. I have a copy I can get free WiFi with, but am afraid to touch it.
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Linux is a good OS, but too much fun to get up and running. It is not stupid proof. I do not even want to touch it. Not yet anyway. I have a copy I can get free WiFi with, but am afraid to touch it.
Oh I don't blame you, this is like one of the few times I've had the urge to install it again. This laptop is crap, so with Linux it runs a bit smoother.
Plus I had Backtrack on a USB stick to get me some internet on the roam, and now they have Kali Linux that you can install, which unlike Backtrack has a lot more support, and is basically just Debian pre-packaged with 300 "security tools".
http://www.kali.org/
Last time I used Linux it was nice, but not this nice, so it has sort of lured me in with its siren song.
Plus I hit my cap, so there's that :D
You'd actually like it Botsareus, it's probably the next most secure system after Tails. Comes pre-packaged with Truecrypt as well, would solve all your hacker worries because you'd have all the tools to check if you're being hacked right at your fingertips. Linux now is at it's friendliest point ever as well.
That said I'm terrible with Linux and can't use any of the tools very well. Even getting the damn thing to dual-boot last night was a nightmare. Had to reinstall GRUB, and get it to work with XP. If I had windows 7 a program can do it in 2 clicks, but no, I had windows XP, so I get eternal hell instead.
So I'm reading over the wine installation procedure, and scanning the forum right now for anyone who has had problems/solutions before I dive in.
http://wiki.darwinbots.com/w/Main_FTP#Installing_DarwinBots_under_Linux
That looks more than sufficient though to do it through wine, which is fun.
Well I can always reboot into XP if I get frustrated.
Aren't you using XP Botsareus? I think i saw it in one of your screenshots recently.
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Aw, I haven't received any bot in a while.
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Heh, and now Randomeye took over. :P
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Really? That's from me. I thought nobody else was online, cause I keep getting back my bots Randomeye and Shapehater.
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If you're alone you shouldn't get your own bots back. It should only give bots back from other users.
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I see. It's mostly no bots on the server right now though.
Edit: I shouldn't have said that. Got over 1500 bots now with my sim down to 0.2 cycles/s. :P
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Would it be a idea to let the server actively 'cache' some bots? Hoard them when a lot come in, save them for quieter times. Currently it spits it out as fast as possible.
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That's not a bad idea.
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I think the randomize feature you just implemented should solve that problem.
Do not over-think this stuff Peter.
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That really doesn't matter much if there barely is anything on the server.
The big bot backlog on the server earlier was due to a bug. Not likely to happen normally.
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Did everybody get cold feet after the fruit fly pandemic a couple of days ago? I don't see anyone else online.
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I'm online right now. Have been fiddling with linux for a few days, it was hell.
So I'm back on XP and running some IM mode.
Are you newbie? Don't forget to check your internet options everybody!
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Here Fruit Flies took over for a while, but then Capsule and Capsule_3 made symbiotic clumps with Alga_Minimalis_Chloroplastus, and just weathered the dynamic costs until only a few flies were left. :D
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... woah :huh:
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IM is overloaded! I'm getting too many bots causing it to freeze here.
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If they are Capsule/Alga_Minimalis_Chloroplastus, that's two thirds of the pink tentacle which the IM teleporter ate. :(
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If you had any issues, the firewall on the server managed to close all ports. :glare:
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It looks like connection issues from time to time, and then all of a sudden I get flooded with bots.
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It runs a little better at the moment. It's nice to see some diversity for a change instead of just the fruit fly. My bots don't make it out though. I need to design better bots for IM.
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I am not playing with IM enabled eco evo until I figure out if I fixed the issue I am having with Billy's robot. But Peter should have a workable code now.
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~reinstalling, off-line for a little while~
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lol, nice veg mcnuts.
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~ and... it is down again ~ :P
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Would've been offline for quite a while if you didn't tell me now. :P
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[Bump Up]
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Hey Peter, I know you are having too much fun right now, but this is a little weird: Is it possible to get your own robots back now or is there another user logged as Botsareus. Both should not happen according to our design philosophy.
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Hey Peter, I know you are having too much fun right now, but this is a little weird: Is it possible to get your own robots back now or is there another user logged as Botsareus. Both should not happen according to our design philosophy.
Before reinstalling, I took out all bots in the IM-server to add them afterwards. The re-adding was under the default name for the IM-server, but shows your name as the sim it comes from(as it did, but the server didn't know).
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Got it. Thx. :)
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Eco_Evo lives again! :(
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I think I am just going to wait for Peters next big IM update and evolve Billy's robot offline (with delgene allowed) in the mean time.
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Somewhat amusing graph. Carnivore Ivy is the sim's veggie -- dynamic costs count all bots.
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Interesting graph. There's some action going on there and they take turns dominating the sim.
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McNuts, put autosave on dp 999 on and do a graph join, I want to see a larger sample. :D
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I was toying with CIvy's source during these stats, so they aren't clean, but attaching them anyway.
I'm going to let it run untouched now and gather a new set.
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There's a fun dynamic going on though. Tipically Alga comes in, hoardes all the choloplasts and makes Ivy go extinct due to being horribly inefficient, Multiply feasts on Alga and pushes the dynamic costs, Ivy gets repopulated and kills Multiply, Locust (which can feed on Ivy) comes in and takes over, dynamic costs kill Locust, repeat.
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How do you open those files? :huh:
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GraphJoin.exe
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I shouldn't have removed the population caps...
PS. By the time I posted the screenshot, the size of the blob had doubled. :O I'm tunning it down now.
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Here is an awesome autogen for everyone 8)
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Aw, an amusing cartwheeling mutation of Carnivore Ivy had finally managed to coexist with Locust for a short while, Catapiller walked in and killed both the Locusts and the cartwheel ivy, then went extinct, and now my sim is back to being a kind of boring Ivy garden with half a dozen sad bots hanging around. :P
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Aw, something went haywire and had to restart the sim.
250 cycles per point:
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100 cycles per point, interrupted by another '6' crash.
It's hard to identify some bots at the bottom.
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MacadamiaNuts(or anyone with a sizable amount of *.stats files)
Could you zip the content(*.stats files) of the /outbound folder and post it. Handy for testing the backend for the newly to make IM graph. Also to see how much data the server might suddenly get, so I can build in some precautions in case needed.
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I have 17,160 .stats files, is that enough? :P
I need to upload the zip somewhere else, it's a bit over the forum limit.
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Unless it's more than 5GB you can use this. I hope not!? :blink: :P
http://www.filedropper.com
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Dreaded flash Error #2046. It's ok, direct link here (http://alleg.franontanaya.com/db/holystatsbotman.zip).
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MacadamiaNuts, in one sim I see quite a gap. Would you know if there's a reason for it, (i.e. didn't connect it with IM in that time) I'm curious if I didn't screw up somewhere. :P Here: http://198.50.150.51:4668 (may load slowly)
Edit: currently the graph is empty. Emptied the db for a fresh run.
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I am not sure where you are going with this Peter. But are you moving files and generating a graph in RAM? I am concerned with disk space. :P
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Not just moving, it gets saved structured. :P
I don't think it's going to be a big issue on disk space, but I'll see. Although the RAM the javascript currently takes may be. (the delaying factor isn't the server giving the data, although it's not fast, but the js in the browser)
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Looks good Peter :)
How do I view the javascript graphs/information?
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There currently isn't much of a way besides the earlier link. Work in progress.
Also, something got logged, but didn't get added. (weird I'll look into that) Might this be from a sim from you?
(data from multiple files in packed into one json array, makes compression before sending much more efficient. )
[{"unixtime": 1411580373, "height": 6928, "width": 9237, "cycle": 600, "simId": "9-24-2014 1-39-27 PM", "population": [{"count": 46, "botName": "Alga_Minimalis_Chloroplastus.txt"}]}, {"unixtime": 1411580378, "height": 6928, "width": 9237, "cycle": 800, "simId": "9-24-2014 1-39-27 PM", "population": [{"count": 63, "botName": "Alga_Minimalis_Chloroplastus.txt"}]}]
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Correct, also, you are about to get a lot from me, I am putting Billys Enstain back on.
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Zip it before just in case :|
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Alright, ecosystem survival evolution is back online. Use the 2-48-11 installer and version 2-48-16. Sorry for any confusion.
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Heh, some lame random user called himself "Botsareus" possible troll here.
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Don't see him.
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He is gone :P
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Alright, time for everyone to play with eco again, please make your settings as insane as possible. Have fun!
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Woot! All my Einstein are chloroplast.
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Sweet virus guys!
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Heh, I got a bunch of virus resistant super bots chilling in the top left corner.
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Haha, robots still chilling, and all the plants migrated to the opposite edges of the screen.
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Pardon the occasional tie breakouts, winp.
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Fixed. Anyone else on port 79 these days? :P
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HaHa, I am no longer able to get robots back from Botsareus, I logged in as Botsareus in windows7.
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Well I managed to get Internet Mode working. The only way I could tell is the invasion of the locusts (unfortunately) :D Is there a way to only send bots and not receive them?
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You can adjust the max amount of in/out going bots in the teleporter in the sim.
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Ah ok.
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Spork, how good is the following virus:
start
*.thisgene .mkvirus store
10 .vshoot store
99 924 1 830 !%=
*.in3 sgn mult store
5 330 *.in3 sgn mult store
0 sgn *.in3 7 mult store
50 921 *.in3 sgn mult store
452 0 0 .fixpos store
0 .deltie store
*.thisgene sub sgn abs mult store
stop
I personally need to test it further...
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Never mind, that virus sucks.
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lol, temporary hit of spiderman on 4669, looks like someone has a work in progress robot.
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Heh, that is kinda cool, I received a robot from a blank user.
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What's the virus meant to do? Is it just meant to spread?
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It forces Einstein (Alpha) robots to make chloroplasts.
Maca, good job with ivy, it is strong finally. I may have to use a stronger robot then E2, the learning curve is looking steep.
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Overview of the 4669 server. http://198.50.150.51:4668
Remark, MacadamiaNuts is just from the sims I added first, he never connected to this server.
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"Spiderman"?
I had a bot by that name running more than a week ago. There seems to be bots lagging somewhere.
I quickly gave up on Spiderman, because the strategy of shooting tie-making offspring at enemies didn't work very well.
Edit: I've run the 17B client here on wine, but it doesn't seem to connect. I've been using client.py to send bots to the 79 port instead.
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Good stuff guys :happy:
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It is quite a strange virus. I just let it loose on some Animal Minimalis and veggies and then all the veggies died, with nothing but a ton of Animal Minimalis floating about. I put a hostile veggie that feeds on other bots into the sim and it got infected. After a while the hostile veggie turned on itself.
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Got to love internet mode!
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I didn't have it on internet mode, mostly because you didn't tell me to test it on internet mode.
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One of the most boss things I have seen floating on IM, that and scanner.
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Have you guys been getting any of the zombie virus? I've been releasing a few infected bots into the teleporter. Probably not enough to start a full-on infection, but at least a few.
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Have you guys been getting any of the zombie virus? I've been releasing a few infected bots into the teleporter. Probably not enough to start a full-on infection, but at least a few.
No. Which port are you on?
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79, when I checked the port. But I'm not on Internet mode 24/7, mostly because I don't want locusts invading my sim.
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Ah, I'm on the other one.
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Hah, Billy is trolling port 4669 with pure robot spam. It is so bad that I can not even view my own Java graphs.
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I don't think he's trolling. He just has been the only one online for a while. Then bots pile on the server till a new user joins. (the new client should help avoid this ;)
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I don't think he's trolling. He just has been the only one online for a while. Then bots pile on the server till a new user joins. (the new client should help avoid this ;)
This is correct, and is in fact the issue I pointed out in another thread, Botsareus.
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What's the deal with the Einstein bot? What makes it hard to kill? That is, if you're planning on figuring out how to kill it.
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It is a reasonably weak robot. It easier to disable then kill.
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Oh. Then why is it posing a threat? If not, what is?
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I am not sure what you are talking about. Threat to what?
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What I'm saying is, why was the virus you made not working?
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Oh, I did not make that one. It evolved in IM.
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OHH. Ok :P
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I wonder if it evolved from one of the many viruses I introduced into the teleporter.
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We need more sims on 4669 :P
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I will join you guys on 4669 shortly. I need to finish running the SB league first.
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I've noticed that after the new update, plants move around much more with the snap ties.
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Yea, its the waste building up causing them to go insane. Slime results in waste buildup. Interesting effect for older plants Imo.
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Yet, the more omnivorous plants aren't all bouncy. Strange.
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Yes, it is hooked into energy. Slime is set to be based on energy. Different energy source imo.
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Or, even more likely. Your other carnivore plant is not set to make slime.
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Strange. Not all plants are incapable of shooting the virus. An example would be the pollinating plant. However, they are not capable of becoming zombies and can only spread the virus without moving.
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That is why they need to make a pollen baby w/o chloroplasts that fly around spreading a virus. Good luck.
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That's the thing. The pollinating plant still does that. It still makes little moving ones. Also, what bot do you guys think is most effective at crowd control; that is, killing a lot of laggy tiny bots?
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I need some killer vegys set to repopulate plz!
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I'll do it myself, I am thinking Bubbles.
edit: Maybe later, I am going to let it evolve a bit first.
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Lol, that was a lot of fun. I guess my robots are not that ready yet for these kind of abuse.
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Heh, I guess the viruses find their ways around the fact that the plants cannot make more viruses.
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:)
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People join the experiment. I want to see more ways it can fail, but mostly I want to see the first global Darwinbots evolution experiment happen.
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I just got a first evosystemic result. I have plants and Einstein co-exsist during a stage save. Although, more likely it is a false positive.
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That was amazing, my old Einstein robots that where sitting on Peters server turned out to be better at general survival then the robots evolving at my main computer, all I really configured on my other computer was F1 costs and 1/16x16x mutation saw wave flux. I guess that is still considered a specialized setting in the evolution book.
hmm... maybe that is a false positive too. :P
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Well as usual, the only way I can run IM w/o it crashing is from vb. But interesting result, I got all sterile bots to autosave in killer plant central.
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.22 gives me "runtime error 6 overrun" after a while. Do we list somewhere which version is the oldest still compatible with IM and IM stats?
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Btw: If you are not running safe-mode I hooked up a global on error resume next a while ago. And, safe-mode is now disabled at default. ;)
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Never mind, I just did something stupid and found one. Apparently loading 1000 or more plants set to repopulate will cause a vector overflow.
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Honestly, How much more intensive is internet mode firstly???
and secondly...Even when i've had it on (For like 7000 cycles) nothing different to offline mode happens?!?!
Also, TALK MORE ON THE FORUMS DUDES, IM LIKE, INVADING IT....LIKE ERRR, AGGRESSIVE DWARFS!
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Well I got pissed of that people where hacking me trough IM. I was gone for a while. I may show up later with a zerobot into survival mode result.
It is just sad that once again IM did not really ever properly worked.
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Well I got pissed of that people where hacking me trough IM. I was gone for a while. I may show up later with a zerobot into survival mode result.
It is just sad that once again IM did not really ever properly worked.
It was inefficient completely, you should join the DB3 discussions though, I've got some points on there like with IM...Nums and peter are teaming up to state how we should go wide and not tall with it (wide = lots of computers, tall = few servers)
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I am going to give IM one more try. I have 4 ideas that may work
One of them is to make a simple up-down server instead of PeterIM v2 with restrictions. I think it is ok for slower simulations to transfer out of sink with faster simulations. If anything I instructed Peter do delete robots randomly if server is at capacity.
Also the simple up-down server just like in the most successful peterIM uses a simple stack architecture. The latest robots on the server are always distributed first.
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I am going to give IM one more try. I have 4 ideas that may work
One of them is to make a simple up-down server instead of PeterIM v2 with restrictions. I think it is ok for slower simulations to transfer out of sink with faster simulations. If anything I instructed Peter do delete robots randomly if server is at capacity.
Also the simple up-down server just like in the most successful peterIM uses a simple stack architecture. The latest robots on the server are always distributed first.
Can you adjust ports used? I hate PeterIM because of the ports its using so far, which reduces compatibility :/
Also, is the simulation going to run on participating pc's or a central server (Im wanting central server ;3).
Just as a sidenote if you do do an update to change IM, coudl you also include a little change to maybe 10 free memory locations to store longterm memory that remains for maybe 20 cycles unless overwritten? It'd be incredibly useful if I were to attempt an "All For One" bot
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The port thing is something to bring up with Peter, as I am the first to admit I do not know python or Internet programming well enough to know what I am doing. But I see you guys are having too much fun messing with Numsgils matrix painting transformations so I do not expect a complete fix anytime soon. Especially because I am asking Peter to revert 33% of his code.
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The reverting of code won't be the issue, but the added stuff. Not that I see why it should be reverted, tbh, but ok weren't huge changes anyway.
I won't plan to be switching the port to the minecraft port. Host blocks it for some reason.
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The reverting of code won't be the issue, but the added stuff. Not that I see why it should be reverted, tbh, but ok weren't huge changes anyway.
I won't plan to be switching the port to the minecraft port. Host blocks it for some reason.
just try a different port, I just gave an example port. Or multiple ports.
More ports, more compatibility <3
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Just as a sidenote if you do do an update to change IM, coudl you also include a little change to maybe 10 free memory locations to store longterm memory that remains for maybe 20 cycles unless overwritten? It'd be incredibly useful if I were to attempt an "All For One" bot
Any memory locations that aren't sysvars won't get reset frame to frame (unless something is broken). I think that's what you're asking for? If you want them to wipe once every, say, 20 cycles, you could do something like
*.timer 20 mod 0 = 0 .somememloc store
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The only thing in the current IM code that is concerning me is the attempt to correct for simulation speeds. Imo seemed to work better without that feature.
The port thing requites some thinking. As far as I knew port 79 should be open for most people. I have no idea what the compromise port should be.
The other three changes should not be too bad, however I will have to publish the visual basic portion first, I currently have no way of doing that.
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If you google for "common open ports" it should give you a nice list.
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I get common incoming open ports on a server when I search. For a client unless you're behind a company proxy pretty much all outgoing ports are open besides port 25.
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Good enough. :)
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Also, is the simulation going to run on participating pc's or a central server (Im wanting central server ;3).
I would prefer a central server too.
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Central server isn't feasible for DB2, too much to be changed.
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Central server isn't feasible for DB2, too much to be changed.
Well, atleast a version of one of the DB's would be nice to have something centralised.
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Well it is really a central server now, just nothing checking the data to make sure it is sane.
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Also on the personal spin, there was a reasonably nifty virus on my laptop completely screwing with vb6 memory. To the point where my paranoia won and I have decided to take a break :/
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Also on the personal spin, there was a reasonably nifty virus on my laptop completely screwing with vb6 memory. To the point where my paranoia won and I have decided to take a break :/
Let me guess, you used norton.
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Let me guess... Nobody is using this security software but me 8):
https://www.comodo.com/home/internet-security/free-internet-security.php
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Let me guess... Nobody is using this security software but me 8):
https://www.comodo.com/home/internet-security/free-internet-security.php
Nope, using Kaspersky, and because of my families deep delving to find advantages that can be gained, at virtually no cost either.
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Well, Comodo Internet Security has a free version that I linked to, in my opinion the best security software that you can get for home computers. It has tons of configuration options, but that may be too much of a learning curve for most users. It's well worth it though imo.
People were questioning this company in the beginning cause they couldn't believe they could just deliver such an advanced security program for free, unless there is a catch. But they're doing it to increase their reputation and earn trust in their company, to make people buy some of their other security solutions.
I highly recommend people to try it out. They have a forum with lots of tips how to configure it for maximum security.
The firewall even has a Paranoid Mode you can switch too, but I haven't tried that myself. I think it's overkill that may cause too much problems with safe applications.
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Nice. Now I only need to catch Peter when getting ready for the next drop.
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I've tried comodo. Worked quite well for a while, I did like the options, then after a update it accessed my hdd continuously. A reinstall didn't fix it, not using any firewall besides the default windows firewall now. Using AVG as a virusscanner.
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Ay, I am planning in investing a couple 100 in a decent firewall. The way peterIM works, all I need is port 79 open right? If not, what are the other ports used for?
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Ay, I am planning in investing a couple 100 in a decent firewall. The way peterIM works, all I need is port 79 open right? If not, what are the other ports used for?
Im just wishing IM opens multiple ports one day :)
Anyway, Kaspersky has this interesting thing where at a really low cost you can buy a version 2 or 3 years old. Then it lets you update for free to the latest version.
I have Kaspersky, Microsoft forefront gateway (and for my developer OS AVG)
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Ay, I am planning in investing a couple 100 in a decent firewall. The way peterIM works, all I need is port 79 open right? If not, what are the other ports used for?
Port 79 outgoing, you can also set comodo up so only PeterIM(so no other applications) can do outbound connections to 'ip-address server' on port 79.
Personally I wouldn't spend money on security software unless you've got solid ground to believe it's better than the free stuff. I would first try out comodo and other free firewalls before you're spending cash.
Im just wishing IM opens multiple ports one day :)
Won't happen. You can also give a list of ports you're able to make outbound connections, and I could look if that's a port I can make default.
I have Kaspersky, Microsoft forefront gateway (and for my developer OS AVG)
Isn't MFG only for windows server?
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I've tried comodo. Worked quite well for a while, I did like the options, then after a update it accessed my hdd continuously. A reinstall didn't fix it, not using any firewall besides the default windows firewall now. Using AVG as a virusscanner.
When was that?
I remember when Comodo was new it had some issues. One issue that happened with a new update was that it would block a legitimate file necessary to boot Windows, where people had to make a complete re-install of Windows! They were quick to fix that though, but I just happened to be one of the unlucky ones installing the update before they fixed it, so I had to re-install Window. That is in the past now and I think it works excelent now.
Of course there is always a delicate balance what to allow. The firewall can't know everything. Typically people just disable features in their firewall because they get tired of the warnings, without really having any understanding of what software to trust.
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Somewhere around 18 months/2 years ago.
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Ay, I am planning in investing a couple 100 in a decent firewall. The way peterIM works, all I need is port 79 open right? If not, what are the other ports used for?
Port 79 outgoing, you can also set comodo up so only PeterIM(so no other applications) can do outbound connections to 'ip-address server' on port 79.
Personally I wouldn't spend money on security software unless you've got solid ground to believe it's better than the free stuff. I would first try out comodo and other free firewalls before you're spending cash.
Im just wishing IM opens multiple ports one day :)
Won't happen. You can also give a list of ports you're able to make outbound connections, and I could look if that's a port I can make default.
I have Kaspersky, Microsoft forefront gateway (and for my developer OS AVG)
Isn't MFG only for windows server?
Not only for windows server, just like windows 2000.
It just scans any 'suspicious' downloads normally.
Ok I was just checking ports but I can't seem to find a working port checker...
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IM seems to be down right now. I sent Peter a PM. It has been a year since my last drop so do not know when or if I will get a reply.
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I think I finally figured out what Spikes IM request is all about. At some point I quoted having more than one port drives me crazy because I never know what ports people are using. As he did from the time I ended up living in the same apartment with this evil moron he probably immediately wrote it down to use in a future attack.
This is not court and you are not defending another shady transmission job Joe. You win the case and all you end up with is a dead project with people pissed off.