Darwinbots Forum
General => Off Topic => Topic started by: Numsgil on March 25, 2005, 05:07:08 PM
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I've set up a manual at darwinbots.xwiki.com (http://darwinbots.xwiki.com). It's a wiki manual. That means that you can go in and add entries yourself.
I've set up some broad sections, and I'll start filling out some sample articles everyone can use to gifure things out.
I hereby command everyone to go in and figure out how to make 1 (one) new article each.
If you have troubles, post them here and I'll help you out.
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you cant command us to do anything, but you can ask us to do it
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Hey, he's the Bot Knight. He can command us to do anything he wants :D...unless the person he commands is a Bot God or something.
Cool idea having a Wiki of DB. Should help speed up the normal process by having all of us posting. I was kind of thinking about adding an entry to Wikipedia about DB. If Conway's Game of Life and other Alife sims are there I see no reason DB can't be alongside. If anyone has the time(which I quite frankly do not currently :( ) feel free to post something.
Endy :D
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Yeah, Zelos suggested it to me. Problem is the entry should be very professional and smooth, and that means time...
Soon. Everything soon. So much to do, so little time. That's why I set up the wiki. If I can get it so that it's easy for us all to contribute on some things, then the programming team can concentrate more on programming.
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Sir, yes sir! :ph43r:
*salutes*
I've added something on reproduction, sir!
:lol: :rolleyes:
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Hope ur happy now, ive added 2 things to the dbwiki
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Geez, what did you do? It's not letting me in there at all!
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I can't open it either. Just get a bunch of errors
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Um, yeah guys, the wiki isn't robust. Seriously Zelos, what on earth did you do?
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what I did? why are you blaming me? it got like that when I was about to my second thing. stop blaming me damn it. I cant things like this so I dont know what you guys who control it have done to it to screw it up. if you really need to know I did just like I do on wikipedia. no more damn it, stop blamming it on me, im telling you to stop it. DAMN IT STOP IT FFS. if it shall be someones fault it shall be numsgils, hes the one who controles it and are responsele to make it sure it doesnt get fucked up. but I dont blame any1 exept nums and PY, why I blame them, they started to blame me DAMN IT
:shoot: :blink: <-num
:shoot: :huh: <-PY
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Here's what I know:
1. Was working this morning
2. You posted that you added stuff.
3. I go to check, and it's broken.
Conclusion? Very likely 2 caused 3.
And I don't control it. No one controls it, except maybe the xwiki people. Wikis are decentralized.
What was your first addition?
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it was multibots whit a pic, then I tried to add another one to clerefy some stuff in the MB one and when I pressed, save it just got fuckede up. do you really think I did this on purpose if I had something to do whit this or what?
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Zelos, if you do A and then B happens soon after, A probably is linked to B. Not automatically, but definately probably.
If it got screwed up after you did something, don't you think it probably is your fault some how? And for you to deny it is when you don't know it's not is just insulting. At least accept responsibility that it could have been your fault.
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I can agree on that what I did might have causesd it, but not alone, there is something fucking wrong whit the site if that happen whit it when I do what I shall do, dont you think?
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Hope ur happy now, ive added 2 things to the dbwiki
This is what I'm talking about. You presumably knew something was messed up when you posted this, but you don't even mention anything.
Something like "Geez, sorry guys, I posted a picture and tried to link to it. The whol wiki is broken now." would've been a start.
You remind me of a little kid who breaks a family vase and just leaves it there for someone else to find. Own up and let's get started on fixing it.
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The software they're using isn't as robust as the real wiki software. That's what you get for free. Just admit you probably screwed it up, you're sorry, and it was an accident. Responsibility.
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when I added that I didnt know it, I pressed "save" and then I opened a new internet explorer and went here and added that, then when I went back to the db wiki I saw that something had happen, but it didnt looked like it do now. thought that you maybe updated it so I didnt say anything after that, how am I supposed to know that you didnt update or something like that? and I didnt linked the pic, it was a word I linked like you do on wikipedia, and I know that worked, coz I linked "chockdeath" and that worked.
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and if they aint robust as the real one its only partly my fault, I didnt choose this free wiki crap. choose a more robust thing next time. im so fucking pist now. im telling you, its not entirly my faulty, its partly my fault, I did you shall be able to do whit a wiki and then that happen. and im sorry if I screwed things up damn it. its never ones fault that 2 is in a conflict. if I had knew that this wasent normal, and that you didnt modefied it somehow I would have told you, but how am I supposed to know that stuff, im not a programér damn it. AND WHY THE FUCKING HELL SHOULD I NOT TELL you WHAT HAPPEN WHEN I POSTED THAT IF I HAD KNEW THAT HAD HAPPEN? DO you THINK IM STUPID ENOGH TO POST THAT KINDA POST IF I KNEW I HAD SCREWED THAT UP AND DIDNT WANTED TO TAKE THE BLAME?
:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
IM....SO....FUCKING.....PIST.....OFF......RIGHT.....NOW.....GUYS
DIE BUG DIE
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:shoot: :huh:
I can take responsibility, I know I might have something to do whit it, but like I said, there is never ones fault that 2 is fighting. which means that something else must have caused this whit me.
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relax guys, it's working now
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Same here.
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Thanks Nums for adding to the intro. I just modified what the original "homepage" had. I kind of like re-using some of what Carlos wrote, saves on time and keeps a certain continuity going.
It doesn't like the password I type in :( Any way to retrieve?
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Sent an email to the support people, and they sure were fast on the turn around time. It's not a huge problem, I've screwed it up a few times myself messing with the toolbars and stuff.
Zelos, if you think you could do a better job finding a free wiki, be my guest. The only better one out there is wikicities, and I don't think our wiki would fit in their terms of service.
All I'm saying is that it isn't a huge stretch of the imagination that if you break it, you should own up and tell people. Geez, I didn't think we were in kindergarten. Sometimes you have to admit responsibility.
I didn't say you did it on purpose either. All I'm asking for is "woops, my bad. Sorry guys." Instead of a defensive "hey, it's not my fault, cause I'm perfect. Must be someone else's fault because I can't be to blame."
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Yep Endy, let's all proofread and add to what others add. OOoo, is this going to be sweet.
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nope I dont num, I dont think I can do a better job coz im not interested
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Zelos, a couple of points about the wiki:
1. Log-in before you edit. This way you don't have to sign every single entry (which is a bad taste by wiki standards anyway) and those who are interested can still find out that it was you who added/changed things.
2. There is no need to explain general things, which are not directly related to DBs. Like water - you could just give a link to wikipedia. The manual should concern things that are relevant to DBs. So your "water" entry would sound like this: "Right now DBs doesn't model water and it's effects on living organisms. It is generally assumed that water is avaliable to bots in amounts necessary." Something like that.
P.S: Oh, and make sure you check the spelling. If not for the whole article, but at least for the title (hint: glycuse???).
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Umm...some of those guest entries are me, sorry, Wiki doesn't like me :( . I've been keeping to mainly the Dna Section and simply making the wiki's interlink correctly.
Endy
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Oh, OK.
One more thing I wanted to mention is to name articles consistently. So that if you are writing about something, then article file should include the full name of the subject, excluding articles (a, an, the). And if you are writing about multi-word thing like Some Very Cool Stuff, then put it completely into article file name, like this: Manual.SomeVeryCoolStuff
This way article files have meaningful names.
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:blink:
Entries on Water that say that (goes to look it up it's so good) "Waters chemical formula is H2O and got some unusual propeties."
:blink:
More importantly, I don't see where it's linked to anything else. Not that wiki's can't get a bit off topic, but let's try to actually write pages that help people use the program.
We rarely get a question "hey guys, what's water?" but I know we've been asked at least 3 times (once was me even!) about racial memory, and memval/memloc, etc.
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shvarz, I dont log in, coz where ive been, that site is fucked up, mostly coz something is wrong whit the pc I think. it keep giving me "inet have encountered a problem and need to shut down", how fun is it that I have to worry if the program shut down when I press a link? but I think that we should add more than just code stuff, coz we base stuff on biology we need to add stuff about biology, for ppl who dont have studied it yet. :lecture: and im sorry for the spelling. im not good at languitch, (I can never learn how languitch is spelled, is this right?), so plz correct my spelling, I dont do it on purpose you know :redface: :redface: I try my best :'( and now when I think on it, taking water whit was kinda stupid :redface: :redface: sorry again, see numsgil, I can say sorry and take responsibility
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It's "Language". hard word to spell, I agree. For us foreigners English is weird and reallyillogical.
Ever tried horrible words like...
Esspecially :wacko:
necesary :blink:
obviousely :wacko:
They always kill me with English-tests... :)
But then again, I don't think there are a lot of people in the US or GB who speak Dutch... :P
haha handig als je grappen kan maken over mensen, als ze het niet begrijpen... ;)
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If a chemistry or biology topic has direct relevance, like evolution, or chemical reactions in general when we get an enzyme system in, by all means add some sub topics. But generally things like sulfur have no relevance right now. Stick to things like DNA commands and the GUI.
Those are what really get people lost. :wacko:
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I agree. Besides, there is no need to explain what sulpher is for a hundredth time - there are plenty of web-sites that explain that. Simply link to a good one should be enough.
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ok
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Nice Pics and articles Zelos. Can they be posted up in the Gallery? I think it would be neat to have them all in one place. I've been going around and backlinking some of your articles to the main pages so don't be too surprised at seeing links to them appear.
Endy B)
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You rock Endy.
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Whoever has the rights to do so - you should delete the "glycuse" and "photosythensis" articles and make new ones with correct spelling. it should be
glucose
photosynthesis
Here is a tip: Next time you are making articles and not sure of spelling - simply do a search on google. If you spelled it wrong, it will ask you "Did you mean...?" and will give you the correct spelling.
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I've cleaned up the wiki some to help it conform to a higher standard.
This is very important:
Before you post a page, see if:
1. There isn't a page for it already (there were two tie pages competing for one another. One in concepts, the other in DNA commands. The one in concepts had a nice intro that I incuded to the one in DNA commands, but there's no need for two seperate pages.
2. You've spelled the title of the page correctly. This is very important. If you mispell the page, how is anyone ever going to find it?
3. You've linked it to another page somewhere in the index. There's no way to locate the page otherwise except by going to what's new, and that page only works if the page is new!
While you're posting the page, be sure that:
1. Any words you decide to link link to pages that either are or will be. For instance, if one person links to [ties] and another links to [tie], we'll end up with multiple instances of the same page. Bad.
Older pages get seniority unless they're mispelled.
2. You're using proper grammer. Minor flaws are understandable, but there is such a thing as a spell checker! And even grammer checkers depending on your word processor.
That's right, word processor. Write your posts in a word processor first.
3. You're information is correct. We haven't really had a problem with this yet, but some statements have been misleading. As we go into more advanced topics, check and recheck any information you post.
Those are the rules. I don't have time to be copy editing all the posts. Most have been pretty good, but some...
Remember, words are cheap. Correctly written words in clear and concise wording are not. Take the time to make your posts right and we'll all benefit.
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Regarding the names... Maybe we should just adopt the naming conventions from wikipedia. They have a large list of rules, but most important to us are:
1) No plural forms, unless there is no single form (like in scissors)
2) No articles, like the and an, unless they are unseparatable part of the name
3) Instead of verbs and adjectives use nouns when possible
4) If verb has to be added, use -ing form
Don't remember any others, maybe they'll come to me later.
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Good idea. I agree full heartedly.
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Thanks, Nums. I used your bot Animal_Minimalis as the showcase bot for the basic bot building tutorial. I think you already saw it. I was thinking the best way to show bot techniques was to split them up based on the level of complexity/type.
Animal_Minimalis is a pretty good example of the new refvars and logical operators, so it should be useful for both new and older players. Umm...I'm not sure I understand what some of the genes are doing :unsure: thankfully that's what wiki's are for. :)
What's up with the wiki syntax page? It was blanked out last night and now in a foreign language. Weird :wacko:
Endy B)
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Figured out how to upload pics. I uploaded all of the home page's pics, so they are readily available to use in topics. Not sure what the other stuff in the gallery does.
Endy B)
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I'll go in some time and create a short tutorial for what's going with animal minimalis.
I'll also upload PY's tutorials, which are very good (if not a bit verbose :ph43r: )
Of course, I also get to:*fix bugs in 2.36. Some are pretty major
*set up a web site for darwinbots
*figure out how to set up internet organism sharing using an ftp I have
*work on OpenGL programming (for fun, not related to DB. Although...)
*drop courses before the end of the day, and see how it screws with financial aid
*write up some wiki pages
*look for a summer job to pay for school that dropping courses screwed with
*work on the enzymes system
*figure out how to present Darwinbots as my final project in a computer science class
*find some time to work on my psuedo random space game
*take a shower (man am I stinky!)
*remember to take my last antibiotic pill
*help Zelos figure out the amount of sunlight flux a given parcel of ground gets[/li]
Whew.
There are so many projects I'm trying to do at once I may end up flopping and doing nothing. :pokey:
Wish I had several copies of myself. That would be super cool.
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Alright, PY's Bot Tutorial is up. It needs a major overhaul though. :blink: I'll try to work on it over the next few days but it'll take awhile.
Endy B)
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Relax Nums, it could be a lot worse... it could be boring :)
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Alright, PY's Bot Tutorial is up. It needs a major overhaul though. :blink: I'll try to work on it over the next few days but it'll take awhile.
Endy B)
Perhaps you should split up his tutorial into multiple links. That would make it much easier to isolate problems.
I've gone through and fixed all the asterisk problems. Still a few formatting problems though...
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I got good news, the sunlight thing can we cut away from the list :D
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I would do some of this stuff myself but lately, I have been experiencing huge increases in both the frequency and amplitude of instances in which reality takes precedence over fun :(
To put it another way, I haven't had enough free time to scratch my ass lately.
Good luck trying to update my tutorial. If you guys can hang on a while I will modify it myself just as soon as I dig myself out from this huge pile of "stuff to do" that I currently find myself under.
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Everyone is. I think Reality and V-reality are fighting and we're feeling the fallout.
Endy B)
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Hey, Nums there's a Manual.DNA.Tie hiding in the wiki, think it can get deleted?
Endy :)
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Why are we wanting to delete a page about ties?
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I don't think it's connected to anything and it's blank. It looks like a little offshoot that was forgotten. :blink:
Endy B)
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http://darwinbots.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Manual.DNA/Ties (http://darwinbots.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Manual.DNA/Ties)
You mean that page? Doesn't look empty to me :unsure:
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:angry: wiki :angry:
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The goverment are trieng to stop me from taking over the world. Their attempts are futile. Just as ur attempts of hiding
OK, I am 99.9% certain that zelos and Bots are the same person!
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Very clever disguise though.
He even uses different IP addresses for each identity :D
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shvarz, y would I be bot? im just having fun in my fantasies whit taking over the world and come up whit funny names from it. y aint I allowed to have funny names? you can just aswell be sadam if we are going to call each other for different persons (I know that exemple was extreme"
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Well see - zelos even started talking as incomprehensibly as Bots does
Oh, I know! Zelos is Bots when he is off the schitzofrenia drugs!
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I think it's the lack of capitalization and punctuation and paragraph breaks.
heck even I would sound like bots if I shall talk like this MUTATIONS DON'T WORK!!!!!!!11 errrrrrr im so #$$*()$#(*@#$ angry :angry:
:P
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I dont want to be mean shvarz, but ur nuts. and nums got a point, on the web its very easy to copy some other guy
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No Nums, not the actual page but this duplicate. Notice there is no "s" on the end of Tie.
Manual.DNA.Tie (http://darwinbots.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Manual.DNA/Tie)
Endy B)
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It gives me an error message when I try deleting it.
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It's alive... :wacko:
Endy B)
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Can someone explain to me the system of foldres, files and links in the wiki? I am a bit confused here.
What is the difference between:
Manual.SimOption
and
Manual/SimOption
and
SimOption?
Why sometimes links are made using ">" (like Stuff>Stuff) and sometimes using "|" (like Stuff|Stuff)?
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I think they're all the same thing actually. Just different ways to say the same thing.
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That's what I thought, but it does not always work. I set up a test page and tried different combinations. Slashes did not work at all.
Are there folders or we just save it all into a single folder? Where then the slashes come from? Crazy stuff and I am ohhh so lazy to go and read the manual....
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Here is what I figured out so far. All files seem to be saved into the same folder. The dots between names simply allow tracing the parental pages that refer to this particular page.
Say you make a page named "Users" and then make links from there to pages called "Shvarz" and "Numsgil".
You can simply call the pages "Shvarz" and "Numsgil", but when someone visits these pages, it will not be immediately clear what shvarz and numsgil are. But if you call them "Users.Shvarz" and "Users.Numsgil", then wiki will show on top that Shvarz is a subpage of "Users".
Moreover, if you don't make the page "Users", but start with making a page called "Users.Shvarz", then wiki automatically creates an empty page called "Users". This is a bit dumb, and a better way would be to prompt a user if he actually wants to create page "Users". That's why one needs to be careful about creating links to pages with long names with many dots.