Darwinbots Forum
General => Off Topic => Topic started by: gymsum on August 18, 2008, 08:01:54 AM
-
Right, a team I've assembled is now working on quite a project; as part of the project we've decided to include a genetics engine similiar to the DB engine, only without as many textual commands. We are going to use 4 simple codons to program all ai for the game.
I dont mean to advertise this game, but merely wanted the DB makers to know that I intend on using the concept of DB in Sandob Universe: http://sandboxuniverse.freeforums.org (http://sandboxuniverse.freeforums.org)
Enjoy.
-
Right, a team I've assembled is now working on quite a project; as part of the project we've decided to include a genetics engine similiar to the DB engine, only without as many textual commands. We are going to use 4 simple codons to program all ai for the game.
I dont mean to advertise this game, but merely wanted the DB makers to know that I intend on using the concept of DB in Sandob Universe: http://sandboxuniverse.freeforums.org (http://sandboxuniverse.freeforums.org)
Enjoy.
Only 4 commands? Im a pleased to know how.
1 reproduces (most important)
2 move
3 see
4 shoot
Indeed, for a simple simulation it could fit well with a few commands.
Is the genetics engine already made, as you said you're gonna include it. Is that engine made already?
Have you coded earlier, I see 5 topics and in two of them I see MMO in the title. That is not sounding very profesional.
With how many are you on your team?
What languege will you use.
Is the game about evolving or is it just used for ai.
-
Right, a team I've assembled is now working on quite a project; as part of the project we've decided to include a genetics engine similiar to the DB engine, only without as many textual commands. We are going to use 4 simple codons to program all ai for the game.
I dont mean to advertise this game, but merely wanted the DB makers to know that I intend on using the concept of DB in Sandob Universe: http://sandboxuniverse.freeforums.org (http://sandboxuniverse.freeforums.org)
Enjoy.
Only 4 commands? Im a pleased to know how.
1 reproduces (most important)
2 move
3 see
4 shoot
Indeed, for a simple simulation it could fit well with a few commands.
Is the genetics engine already made, as you said you're gonna include it. Is that engine made already?
Have you coded earlier, I see 5 topics and in two of them I see MMO in the title. That is not sounding very profesional.
With how many are you on your team?
What languege will you use.
Is the game about evolving or is it just used for ai.
Here is the entire layout for gameplay before the team took over: http://gmc.yoyogames.com/index.php?showtopic=391102 (http://gmc.yoyogames.com/index.php?showtopic=391102)
We havent changed much with it, so its still up to date (link above)
we have 3 programmers, 2 artists, 2 designers, 2 alpha testers and 1 3d artist. We will use Dark Basic Pro Online, which supports C++. The entire engine is being built from nothing; we have various scripts that programmers have offered for functions, adn have dlls and exstenstions going for the engines. THe genetics end of the game is for battles, and in game technologies and limiatitations/adaptations. And yeah that codon set up is the idea, but with more commands.
First codon - Mate commands/Read (1)*
Second codon - Body commands/Memory Commands*
Third codon - Sensor Select
Fourth codon - Memory store
*these two must be used together and form a dual codon with one empty T codon in front of it
THis would allow a gene to go from, read, to store, to act, and vice versa. Mostly this end of the genetics simulation is for use in RTS ai implementation, so that a bird of another planet may fly a different pattern or be more agressive. THen the idea that a battle could include the enemy army and their native animals becomes a reality.
-
(Bites tongue really hard...)
Best of luck. Are you one of the designers? Does that mean you won't be coding?
-
Well, I'll try to keep quiet.
But, you know this is big right. You know that putting this though well, this could cost time. You've got to keep a team together.
Chance this is going wrong is pretty big.
But anyway, 3D, MMO, big complicated, your first project?? I hope not.
-
Well, I'll try to keep quiet.
But, you know this is big right. You know that putting this though well, this could cost time. You've got to keep a team together.
Chance this is going wrong is pretty big.
But anyway, 3D, MMO, big complicated, your first project?? I hope not.
Not my first project; but its a new team. We've got two programmers now and only one knows C++, the other's willing to learn. I'm heading game design with another guy. We have our outline for the Engine and are still putting it together, most likely it will take two years and possible more than one team; hopefully we can keep a dedicated programmer for the entire project, he woudl be the best paid member with the royalties. But we do want DB to recieve acknowledgement for original design on the ideas within the mutations and such, I think DB was the first free engine to provide fully functioning dna simulation.
-
I'm still biting my tongue. Karma points +5 for me
-
I'm still biting my tongue. Karma points +5 for me
what gives?
We're not using Dark basic...
-
I'm still biting my tongue. Karma points +5 for me
Indeed, so much open doors. I sense even more doors that will be opened.
what gives?
We're not using Dark basic...
What does the language matter?
But it is now an galaxy-MMORTS, if I understand this right.
How do you care with people logging out. You can't keep a empire unguarded.
Edit: He, I saw just this.
hopefully we can keep a dedicated programmer for the entire project, he woudl be the best paid member with the royalties
The members get paid. Will you pay them now or are you going to pay after the game is finished with the profits of the game-sales.
And further, it is not your first project, what was your first project. Is this your first team or isn't it.
-
I'm still biting my tongue. Karma points +5 for me
Indeed, so much open doors. I sense even more doors that will be opened.
what gives?
We're not using Dark basic...
What does the language matter?
But it is now an galaxy-MMORTS, if I understand this right.
How do you care with people logging out. You can't keep a empire unguarded.
Edit: He, I saw just this.
hopefully we can keep a dedicated programmer for the entire project, he woudl be the best paid member with the royalties
The members get paid. Will you pay them now or are you going to pay after the game is finished with the profits of the game-sales.
And further, it is not your first project, what was your first project. Is this your first team or isn't it.
Lan guage matters because some cant handle things; for example for this to be in QBasic would be rediculous, the graphics couldnt handle anything.
Im not sure you guys fully understand, its only multiplayer when fighting species against otehr human made spexcies. Its single Player until you can even go to the next part of the game..
This is a first for teams; I've done simpler projects such as NAMBLA, lame 2d shooter I built for Physics. I know SPore exsisted but I think it turned into a turd.
-
Spore... hasn't been released yet. In fact it's got a lot of hype right now, it releases in about a month. The creature editor is available for download free right now, actually.
NAMBLA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association)? Not sure if that's a game I'd want to play.
Here's a simple question: is your project larger in scope than Spore? Because spore took like 7 years to develop and cost, well, I think it's the most expensive game ever produced, ever, IIRC.
-
Spore... hasn't been released yet. In fact it's got a lot of hype right now, it releases in about a month. The creature editor is available for download free right now, actually.
NAMBLA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association)? Not sure if that's a game I'd want to play.
Here's a simple question: is your project larger in scope than Spore? Because spore took like 7 years to develop and cost, well, I think it's the most expensive game ever produced, ever, IIRC.
Its going to be more Universe Creation focused, adn its goign to be released in patches so we can add more features in the future should we choose to.
-
Spore... hasn't been released yet. In fact it's got a lot of hype right now, it releases in about a month. The creature editor is available for download free right now, actually.
NAMBLA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association)? Not sure if that's a game I'd want to play.
Depends, what is the goal. If shooting the members would be the goal, I could give it a try. It is rather strange that that kinds of organisations exist. Reminds me of the paedophiles-party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partij_voor_Naastenliefde,_Vrijheid_en_Diversiteit), they tried to start a political party in the Netherlands. The court (luckyly) decided that they may not enter the elections.
-
Maybe a horror game with NAMBLA instead of zombies. You're a little kid and your goal is not to get sexed.
-
Maybe a horror game with NAMBLA instead of zombies. You're a little kid and your goal is not to get sexed.
NAMBLA is term Jon Stewart uses for evey ancronym; I used it as a mission name for Green Peace, the objective was to prevent global warming. You ran around with a gun and flame thrower shooting emissions and blowing up things taht caused global warming.
-
As in the Daily Show on Comedy Central (in the US anyway)?
Yeah... It's funny because he's referencing that association. It's the butt of a lot of jokes. There was a South Park about the National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes being confused with it (hence the funny). I find it increasingly hilarious that you'd use it for the name of a game without knowing what it meant
-
As in the Daily Show on Comedy Central (in the US anyway)?
Yeah... It's funny because he's referencing that association. It's the butt of a lot of jokes. There was a South Park about the National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes being confused with it (hence the funny). I find it increasingly hilarious that you'd use it for the name of a game without knowing what it meant
North American Man boy Love Association...
I posted it on the internet once, Green Peace Project NAMBLA; it recieved a 2/10 adn was then banned and deleted from the site. It was a physics final, with no man boy loving involved.
-
Yeah yeah, tell it to the judge.
-
Maybe a horror game with NAMBLA instead of zombies. You're a little kid and your goal is not to get sexed.
NAMBLA is term Jon Stewart uses for evey ancronym; I used it as a mission name for Green Peace, the objective was to prevent global warming. You ran around with a gun and flame thrower shooting emissions and blowing up things taht caused global warming.
Eh, like your flamethrower?
-
Maybe a horror game with NAMBLA instead of zombies. You're a little kid and your goal is not to get sexed.
NAMBLA is term Jon Stewart uses for evey ancronym; I used it as a mission name for Green Peace, the objective was to prevent global warming. You ran around with a gun and flame thrower shooting emissions and blowing up things taht caused global warming.
Eh, like your flamethrower?
THe flamethrower made the global temp rise slightly, less than the effect of the airports or factories in china.
-
Maybe a horror game with NAMBLA instead of zombies. You're a little kid and your goal is not to get sexed.
NAMBLA is term Jon Stewart uses for evey ancronym; I used it as a mission name for Green Peace, the objective was to prevent global warming. You ran around with a gun and flame thrower shooting emissions and blowing up things taht caused global warming.
Eh, like your flamethrower?
THe flamethrower made the global temp rise slightly, less than the effect of the airports or factories in china.
Well I wouldn't think burning airports and factories would be that good for enviroment .
Further why china, america is pretty a pretty big user of oil. And they're not really effiecient.
-
Yes, I am curious, too. China wouldn't be my first pick.
Per person, I think Canada is the biggest polluter. There are places where it's so cold when you run in to see a movie or something, you just leave your car running so it won't freeze.
-
Yes, I am curious, too. China wouldn't be my first pick.
Per person, I think Canada is the biggest polluter. There are places where it's so cold when you run in to see a movie or something, you just leave your car running so it won't freeze.
Bejiong's had a cloud of smog for 20 years now, and its thkcer tahn anywhere on the planet.
-
Yeah, but they've got a fifth of the whole world's population in there (well, not Beijing specifically)
-
Yeah, but they've got a fifth of the whole world's population in there (well, not Beijing specifically)
their farts alone outpace american's by a lot.
edit: also the Americans had Al Gore funding the project, so it was vital to Green Peace not to disrupt American money at home.
-
Actually that's been a complaint from the right concerning Al Gore: that his policies and desires were (are?) at odds with American business specifically, and would reduce productivity and competitiveness at home. If you do take the stance that environmental policies disrupt business, then I think it would be entirely self consistent for a Gore-funded flamethrower project to be directed at Big Business in America. It'd play like a conservative think-tank propaganda project, but maybe that's what you went for?
-
the objective was to prevent global warming. You ran around with a gun and flame thrower shooting emissions and blowing up things taht caused global warming.
Could you shoot the sun in that game?
-
lol
-
wo might as well make the follow up to the NAMBLA. part 2, finishing america. couldnt shoot the sun, but when you take down the core the earth implodes.
-
Oil Consumption by capita. (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_con_percap-energy-oil-consumption-per-capita&date=2004)
(dated 2004)Totals there too. Amirica first.
Canada and USA are using the most oil per capita of the big countries. Before some 'smaller' countries and oil producing countries.
China is at this list ranked as 125#, Canada and USA standing 13# and 15#. Most european countries are clearly using less, coming from harsh energie policies in europe, I don't think north america is familiair with CO2-tax or buying CO2 rights.
I didn't knew that it would involve that major differences. North america is just using more then double of the oil per capita.
Using more then 14 times that of china, imagine china using as much per capita. Imagine the oil price.
#13 Canada: 71.712 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2004 ...
#14 Aruba: 70.707 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2004 ...
#15 United States: 70.593 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2004 ...
#46 France: 32.362 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2005 ...
#47 Italy: 32.333 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2004 ...
#48 Germany: 32.115 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2004 ...
#49 Portugal: 31.613 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2004 ...
#50 Denmark: 31.573 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2005 ...
#51 United Kingdom: 30.534 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2004 .
(just took the biggest countries, there are some countries higher and others lower in europe)
#128 China: 5.009 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2005 ..
Taking down the earth would really kill global warming. How can a ball be blue when there is no ball.
-
North America is huge and sparsely populated compared to Europe, so I think the extra oil consumption has to do with driving from point A to point B. In Europe things are more densely packed, so you end up driving less during the day. That's my guess anyway. It's not like Americans are sitting outside and just burning oil drums for fun.
-
Oil Consumption by capita. (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_con_percap-energy-oil-consumption-per-capita&date=2004)
(dated 2004)Totals there too. Amirica first.
Canada and USA are using the most oil per capita of the big countries. Before some 'smaller' countries and oil producing countries.
China is at this list ranked as 125#, Canada and USA standing 13# and 15#. Most european countries are clearly using less, coming from harsh energie policies in europe, I don't think north america is familiair with CO2-tax or buying CO2 rights.
I didn't knew that it would involve that major differences. North america is just using more then double of the oil per capita.
Using more then 14 times that of china, imagine china using as much per capita. Imagine the oil price.
#13 Canada: 71.712 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2004 ...
#14 Aruba: 70.707 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2004 ...
#15 United States: 70.593 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2004 ...
#46 France: 32.362 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2005 ...
#47 Italy: 32.333 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2004 ...
#48 Germany: 32.115 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2004 ...
#49 Portugal: 31.613 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2004 ...
#50 Denmark: 31.573 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2005 ...
#51 United Kingdom: 30.534 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2004 .
(just took the biggest countries, there are some countries higher and others lower in europe)
#128 China: 5.009 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl 2005 ..
Taking down the earth would really kill global warming. How can a ball be blue when there is no ball.
facts and figures can be used to prove anything. For one China needs to start killing ppl off to balance their budget. Also I never trust any fact or figure presented by the Chinese GOvernment as honest by any means.
Also in Europe you have the best mass transit possible, you can take a train if need be for very cheap, in the states its cheaper to drive even with crappier gas prices than before. They cut all social funding since McCarthy got in and still have, damn Communists.
-
facts and figures can be used to prove anything.
Especially things that are true
For one China needs to start killing ppl off to balance their budget.
Heh. First, that's a terribly politically incorrect thing to say. Second, I'm not sure I see how killing off people would improve the bottom line. They've got a billion people, figure that maybe 30% of them are in the work force. And they work for practically nothing. At least compared with America and Europe. True, they are a communist (and therefore socialist) state, so they're expected to provide basic goods and services to their population for free (actually I'm guessing, I have no idea how the internal Chinese economy works. Or even how communism really works when you get down to the level of families. Do they have to pay rent? Or are families just assigned housing based on their needs?), but I think the average worker produces more than they cost (the Chinese economy is net exporting, IIRC), which means they have an inflow of cash (probably lots of American Dollars), which means, from a strictly fiscal point of view, more people = more money.
Also I never trust any fact or figure presented by the Chinese GOvernment as honest by any means.
Oil imports are public record from the oil companies, I don't think it's something they could hide if they wanted to, since the oil has to come from somewhere, and the place it comes from knows how much it sent.
Also in Europe you have the best mass transit possible, you can take a train if need be for very cheap, in the states its cheaper to drive even with crappier gas prices than before. They cut all social funding since McCarthy got in and still have, damn Communists.
It's not cheaper to drive, it's just that American public transit is terrible. If you've ever been on a Grey hound bus, you know they're dead cheap, but you get what you pay for. It actually has nothing to do with McCarthy or communists or anything like that (as you seem to imply). It was in the 30s or 40s I believe, the tire, automobile, and oil companies got together and bought up all the mass transits in as many large cities as they could. (Trains and trollies). They then purposely ran them with terrible management so they'd lose money. Once they were unprofitable, they would sell off the assets and clsoe down the company. In its place they'd sell cities buses (which use tires and car engines and gas) to use instead, and promote larger roads and freeways and the like, to boost the utility of cars. In a matter of a decade or so they'd changed America from a world leader in public transit to a mostly car and bus country.
Oh, and this isn't some crazy crack pot theory, it's pretty well documented and the car companies admitted to it, and got slapped with a minor fine. wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy). (Unless of course you don't trust wikipedia as a reputable source. You're more than welcome to go look it up yourself in that case).
-
North America is huge and sparsely populated compared to Europe, so I think the extra oil consumption has to do with driving from point A to point B. In Europe things are more densely packed, so you end up driving less during the day. That's my guess anyway. It's not like Americans are sitting outside and just burning oil drums for fun.
Could be, I am no expert.
Ah I've got a link (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aardolie#Opraken_van_deze_voorraden) Dutch wikipedia I couldn't find the numbers in the english version. Well Duitsland means Germany . The rest of the countries speak for themself.
I don't know if the extra oil usage has to do with transport. But in if you compare the numbers from 1990 towards 2004 you see that america and china are using more oil and europe and Japan are using globally the same.
Also in Europe you have the best mass transit possible, you can take a train if need be for very cheap, in the states its cheaper to drive even with crappier gas prices than before. They cut all social funding since McCarthy got in and still have, damn Communists.
Japan has the best mass transit, nobody in the world doubts that. I can't really say taking a train here would be cheap. Most taking a train where students that got a free train-bus-pas. Without students almost nobody would take the train.
Crappier gas prices, in america you've got one of the lowest gas-prices in the world. Use google if you don't believe me.
cut all social funding = damn communists ??
Communists don't cut social funding they are increasing it the whole time, damn communists.
..ou get down to the level of families. Do they have to pay rent? Or are families just assigned housing based on their needs?), but I think the average worker produces more than they cost (the Chinese economy is net exporting, IIRC), which means they have an inflow of cash (probably lots of American Dollars), which means, from a strictly fiscal point of view, more people = more money.
I doubt the Chinese goverment would be doing everything for it people. In certain places there are free zones for the economy, where capitalism can build factories and build stores. China is slowly more growing to a somewhat more capitalism state. Maybe they are somewhat overcontroling.
And the Chinese (the goverment atleast) are spending a lot of money on various things. They build a maglev-railroad, build a lot of new roads, builded a complete olympic station, build a nucleair fusion reactor, building new cities like it is nothing. This money for a big part dollars, is in my view even taking the value of the dollar down. There is coming much 'Chinese' dollars at the market. The chinese goverment is the last years taking budget deficiouts and still they have enormous dollar reserves.
-
North America is huge and sparsely populated compared to Europe, so I think the extra oil consumption has to do with driving from point A to point B. In Europe things are more densely packed, so you end up driving less during the day. That's my guess anyway. It's not like Americans are sitting outside and just burning oil drums for fun.
Could be, I am no expert.
Ah I've got a link (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aardolie#Opraken_van_deze_voorraden) Dutch wikipedia I couldn't find the numbers in the english version. Well Duitsland means Germany . The rest of the countries speak for themself.
I don't know if the extra oil usage has to do with transport. But in if you compare the numbers from 1990 towards 2004 you see that america and china are using more oil and europe and Japan are using globally the same.
Also in Europe you have the best mass transit possible, you can take a train if need be for very cheap, in the states its cheaper to drive even with crappier gas prices than before. They cut all social funding since McCarthy got in and still have, damn Communists.
Japan has the best mass transit, nobody in the world doubts that. I can't really say taking a train here would be cheap. Most taking a train where students that got a free train-bus-pas. Without students almost nobody would take the train.
Crappier gas prices, in america you've got one of the lowest gas-prices in the world. Use google if you don't believe me.
cut all social funding = damn communists ??
Communists don't cut social funding they are increasing it the whole time, damn communists.
..ou get down to the level of families. Do they have to pay rent? Or are families just assigned housing based on their needs?), but I think the average worker produces more than they cost (the Chinese economy is net exporting, IIRC), which means they have an inflow of cash (probably lots of American Dollars), which means, from a strictly fiscal point of view, more people = more money.
I doubt the Chinese goverment would be doing everything for it people. In certain places there are free zones for the economy, where capitalism can build factories and build stores. China is slowly more growing to a somewhat more capitalism state. Maybe they are somewhat overcontroling.
And the Chinese (the goverment atleast) are spending a lot of money on various things. They build a maglev-railroad, build a lot of new roads, builded a complete olympic station, build a nucleair fusion reactor, building new cities like it is nothing. This money for a big part dollars, is in my view even taking the value of the dollar down. There is coming much 'Chinese' dollars at the market. The chinese goverment is the last years taking budget deficiouts and still they have enormous dollar reserves.
In some areas taht recieve little assistance, the wages are only 2-3$ above the gas prces, so the difference is minimal. I think in Europe its what, 4-5$ a liter, and you earn 15-20$ with three-four week vacations every so often. THen you have Zimbabwe where everyone is multi-billionares and it costs millions for a can of beans.
-
In some areas taht recieve little assistance, the wages are only 2-3$ above the gas prces, so the difference is minimal. I think in Europe its what, 4-5$ a liter, and you earn 15-20$ with three-four week vacations every so often. THen you have Zimbabwe where everyone is multi-billionares and it costs millions for a can of beans.
I don't know what your point exactly is. But if you think the projects they set up are cheap you are wrong, use google/wikipedia(the internet gods) to look up the anwsers of the costs.
Many of the projects are big or complicated or both.
Have you ever heard of any serious magnetic railroad in any other country(the test-railroad in germany doesn't count). That is a big and complicated job and expensive.
Anyway where do you have those numbers from, (I think) the dollar isn't that low in value in comparison with the euro. And you know liters aren't the same as gallons, do you.
In zimbabwe they could be billionaires in zimbabwe dollars. I doubt if they are really paying with those in the country. They probably just use dollars. Or they use euros or the renminbi, now we're speaking of china.
Anyway, this way I am just garbashing you game-topic. So how is the game developing going, everything going alright, need any help?