I'm talking about bots coming back from the position of 100+ to 1, chance is a fickle mistress. 12 hr rounds with both bots reaching this position are not unknown. dry.gif
I understand that ...
what I am saying is ... when it's that damn close ...
it's a waste of time to go on and on and on and then declare that one
of them is superior to the other.
flip a coin.
there are too many other variables in DB that affect the outcome
when bots are that close.
going to all the trouble of using this 'statistically correct' method
in these cases is overkill.
this ain't rocket science ...
we're just playing some bots against one another ...
with variable errors far in excess of what these statistical calculations
are trying to see.
it's like having a bathroom scale read your weight to 8 decimal places!
who cares if I weigh 223.57834598?
hey! I lost 0.00000253 lbs this week!!!!
in the below ...
I did indeed 'interfere' in two cases ...
as it's pretty much a toss up ...
and if it goes to 40 rounds ... I'm going to declare a winner ...
because it really doesn't matter.
ok ... did some playing around with leagues ...
this before I came here and read your post ...
but I did in fact use those 6 bots.
check it out.
ver 2.42.9r compiled
F1 League conditions
6 bots ...
initial ranking:
btw ...
this intial positioning can make a big difference as well
for the ranking ... as some bots won't ever take on others.
more on that below ... with the round robin I already did.
ok ... started like so:
1 - Callidus
2 - The One
3 - DIN
4 - Darth Shimazu
5 - Spanish Conquistador
6 - Animal Supremus
results:
1 - Callidus
2 - Spanish Conquistador
3 - Animal Supremus
4 - The One
5 - DIN
6 - Darth Shimazu
two contests were fairly long ...
Darth vs Spanish C went 17 to 22 ...
39 rounds before I gave it to Spanish C
The One vs Spanish C went 19 to 19 ...
before I gave it to Spanish C ...
just so he would have a chance to go up against Callidus ...
Callidus already having defeated The One.
well ... Callidus kicked Spanish C's butt easily.
btw ... I later ran longer matches between these opponents ...
and determined that it's pretty much a 50/50 ...
and which bot wins is pretty random ...
just depends on who starts where and whatever seed is used.
I don't think running them thru the league one time can determine
which should be ranked above which ...
"on any given sunday", eh?
now ...
there were a number of bots that didn't get a chance to
go up against one another so I switched League off ...
and still using the F1 conditions, not altering anything ...
ran those contests using just two bots in the normal way ...
first ensuring the mutations were disabled.
results over all, from the league ...
and with the additional contests I staged ...
each bot going up against every other bot:
Callidus ......................... 5 wins, 0 losses
Spanish Conquistador ...... 4 wins, 1 loss
The One ......................... 3 winds, 2 losses
Animal Supremus ............ 2 wins, 3 losses
DIN ................................ 1 win, 4 losses
Darth Shimazu ............... 0 wins, 5 losses.
notice, The One and Animal Supremus swapped #3 and #4 spots ...
even tho Animal beat The One, one on one.
anyway ... this is easy to do if you just want to check out how two
bots go up against one another without having to run the whole
league [good luck with that anyway]
now I noticed in General Settings ...
the Veggie population controls are set to:
Max Pop - 25, Threshold - 10, Veggies/Pop Event - 10, Cooldown -1
now this population control thing has always bugged me ...
the veggie pop here able to up to 50 if conditions are right.
what I eventually came up with was the following settings ...
Max Pop - 25, Threshold - 24, Veggies/Pop Event - 1, Cooldown -1
which, perhaps after an intitial surge early on
seems to keep the population much closer to the target 25 ...
ie ... under the user's control.
I'm not certain ... but it may also affect how tightly the veggies
'group' together. you'll have to experiment and see for yourself ...
but if so, this also may effect some bots more than others ...
depending upon their 'search patterns'.
hey!
it's 2007 and I didn't even know it!
well ... not on the west coast yet ...
it's all make believe anyway you know ...
this arbitrary numbering thing and pretending
there are time zones and all.
I mean ...
one could say it's not really a new year until feb 18th ...
and then it's the year 4704. lol
it's all relative, dudes!
have a happy one ...
wherever, whenever.