Let's make a stable platform

[Endy]

Now my veggies have started mutating. I'm sure they shouldn't be doing that.

Theoretically given enough time just about anything in DB can start mutating/evolving. If a veggie happens to absorb a stray -2 shot it will gain waste, potentially enough waste to cause a mrepro.

I remember Wall and Son. It was a kind of freak event but basically the wall absorbed nrg and of course digested it to make waste. It started spinning, shooting, and reproducing randomly. :lol:

[PurpleYouko]

If a veggie happens to absorb a stray -2 shot it will gain waste, potentially enough waste to cause a mrepro.

Except that on every cycle, a veg converts 1/2 of his current waste directly into energy so it can never build up.

[PurpleYouko]

Well my sim just ran another 5,000,000 cycles overnight without any kind of crash.

[Numsgil]

Veggies might be building up pwatste.  Pwaste acts like residue that can't ever be removed that lowers the effective threshold for the bot.

That is, if pwaste + waste > threshold, bad stuff happens ;)

So if pwaste is, say, 200 in a veggy, and it gets 200 waste, it's already at the threshold.

I don't know if pwaste builds up in veggies or no...

[PurpleYouko]

Veggies don't make pwaste (unless that was something you changed recently)

[Numsgil]

May have without meaning too.  But I don't think so.  I ahven't touched much of waste et al routines.

[PurpleYouko]

I just checked the code and it looks like veggies can build up pwaste if they pick up -2 shots.

Active veggies do too. That is to say, if a veggie actively runs around the screen doing stuff then it will build up pwaste just like any other bot will.

Once there, they have no way to deal with it.

[Numsgil]

I think this is something of a design issue.  I mean, if veggies are actively behaving like bots, maybe they should build up pwaste...

[PurpleYouko]

I don't have a problem with that.

They still have the advantage of not building up regular waste.

[Endy]

Might have an additional cause:

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 If .nrg + (.Waste / 2) < 32000 Then
    .nrg = .nrg + (.Waste / 2)
    .Waste = .Waste - (.Waste / 2)
If Waste/2 +nrg > 32000 waste remains to be converted to pwaste.

I know nrg can get up pretty high on occasion for vegs, but not sure how likely this is. Probably not a major concern though; more of a handy object lesson why never to use the word never.

[PurpleYouko]

Pwaste is only created from waste when waste is removed from the system by any active means like firing a poop shot or transferring it along ties.

The veg feeding routine doesn't add any so in a normal veggie, the scenario you described should not be a problem.

If you have a very active veggie such as a combat bot with "autotroph" checked then it deserves to fill up with pwaste.

The routine here is just to make sure we don't convert too much energy and overflow the .nrg register.

[Numsgil]

Yes, but since it's not converting it to nrg, it can probably build up above the Bad Waste threshold.

[PurpleYouko]

I guess it could but it would have to come in at a constant rate, and/or the veggie would have to be at or near to maximum energy.

[shvarz]

So, where is this going?  I got some time and want to start running 2.37 through VB.  Do we have an updated 2.37 source with some bugs fixed?  And could you point me to the place with VB download again?  I lost the file somewhere.

EDIT:  never mind, I found the VB6.  Still - is there an updated source for 2.37?  is PY fixing bugs or people decided to give up on that?

EDIT 2: Can't install the VB6.  Says:

"C:\Windows\System32\Autoexec.nt.  The system file is not suitable for running MS-DOS and Microsoft Windows applications. Choose "Close" to terminate the application"

[PurpleYouko]

Up to now I hav ebeen fixing the bugs as we go along as well as giving instructions how to fix them yourselves.

In the next day or so I will upload the fixed source and the executable to the Darwinbots FTP server.