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Offline PurpleYouko

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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2005, 09:32:44 AM »
But then, the .pain memory location still exists whether we look at it or not from the DNA file.
Does that just mean that the robots still feel it but have no way to show that they do?
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2005, 09:52:08 AM »
Of course not!  Because, according to uncertainty principle, until the bots, or us, or any observer at all "observes" the value for *.pain, it exists in a quasi state of all possible states, including negative (pleasure) and positive (pain).

Thus, on average, a bot that does not check on *.pain feels nothign whatsoever.

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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2005, 11:01:46 AM »
I see. Kind of like Schrodinger's Bot huh?

You don't collapse the quantum probability function until you actually read the .pain memloc.  :D
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« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2005, 11:30:40 AM »
Exactly.  Of course, now we're getting into quantum bot mechanics, which is always confusing.

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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2005, 02:26:43 PM »
why would *.pain be bad?  how would that be animal cruelty?
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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2005, 02:29:13 PM »
Did you read that psuedo article I wrote?

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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2005, 02:31:23 PM »
I don't think so... where is it?
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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2005, 03:07:57 PM »
wow that would be crazy if that really happened.  I think its really retarted that *.pain is considered animal crealty.(or is the whole animal cruelty thing a joke)
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« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2005, 05:56:19 PM »
Well, it's meant as a half serious philiosophical thought experiment.  At what point is it cruetly?  Pain in real organisms... how do we describe it?  What makes it "cruel"?

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« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2005, 07:41:27 PM »
I don't know... I think pain is just part of life.  I don't think pain is a cruelty though.  when little animals play they are causing some extent of pain.  I think its only cruelty if you cause someone pain for a mallicious reason.  if you tourture someone then you're being cruel, if you are walking and you stub your toe then pain isn't cruelty just a part of life.


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« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2005, 09:00:25 PM »
So then is forcing bots to battle to extinction cruelty?

I mean, I don't know of anyone that really seriously considers it as such to the point of not making bots to battle for that reason...

but it's not a far stretch of the imagination to imagine such a time.

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« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2005, 12:07:58 AM »
we arn't really forcing them to battle to extingtion we just put them in he same area as each other and they compete for resorces to the death
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« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2005, 05:09:32 AM »
so I I put you and ur best friend on a island that can only support one of you, im not cruel?
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« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2005, 09:12:33 AM »
youve got a point there
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