How to keep blocked

[Botsareus]

PY quote:

I don't favor getting rid of it. Blocking has its place in the scheme of things.

Fixpos and fixed are going to be combined to save sysvar space but blocked (as an option and as a possibility) must stay.

I totaly agree that blocked as an option and as possibility must stay.

The same way the e-grid can be set up to favor plants. Instead of artifisialy checking the "plants" checkbox.
The e-grid must be able to set up to to favor blocked plants (or blocked robots If not too sifiesh). I beleave there must be a more natural reason for somthing to become blocked: "Like the only way for photosinthise to accure is for a plant to be attched to soil" (But if we model it on a molecular level, on the other hand, then our plants our allergy getting minerals from water and do not need to be blocked)

I am not sure how to work out the complete model, I leave that to our biologists, but you get the idea.

[Numsgil]

We could have an absorption rate from the Egrid gradually increase as a bot doesn't move.  This would be analogous to growing roots.  Problem is this means we would need to set some sort of absorption rate formula for bots based on speed, length of time not moving, etc.

Either way, I'm not touching the blocked veggies control for 2.4

[Botsareus]

good ... atleast you are considering it. When we get to the e-grid at all.~ ...

[shvarz]

Like the only way for photosinthise to accure is for a plant to be attched to soil

That would be totally unrealistic, because most of the plants on our planet are not attached to soil.

[Greven]

???

[Numsgil]

Specifically Algae, is what shvarz is referring to.

And the giant floating plants like in Cowboy Bepop that hang above Venus.  He's talking about those too.

[Botsareus]

But what If you want to model trees?

[Numsgil]

Then you find some other reason why they should be fixed.  It's not inconcievable that ground plants could have just become a large floor covering of moss.

[Botsareus]

Then you find some other reason why they should be fixed.

and what does moss have to do with this? I dont get it all: What other ways?

[PurpleYouko]

And the giant floating plants like in Cowboy Bepop that hang above Venus. He's talking about those too.

And duck weed and water hyacinths and so on.

There are tons of plants that aren't rooted. What about the symbiotic Xooxanthellae that live in the bodies of some Sea Slugs or corals.

[Numsgil]

and what does moss have to do with this? I dont get it all: What other ways?

Okay, most areas with lots of plants have trees.

Now, trees aren't the only method of plants possible.  There are many non-tree plants.  We've named some already.  For my example, let's take moss.

Now, moss is a plant.  It is not impossible that at some point in the past, trees weren't around.  At such a time, it's also probable that you had something like moss all over the land instead of trees.  Moss isn't particularly rooted.  It can pretty much grow on top of rocks and things with like a quarter inch of dust on them.

Other plants don't even need that.  Most water plants are free floating.  Hence: rooted is not a requisite for plants, hence trees are not rooted because they need to be to perform photosynthesis, hence modeling trees by requiring they be rooted to perform photosynthesis isn't correct.

[Botsareus]

Hence: rooted is not a requisite for plants, hence trees are not rooted because they need to be to perform photosynthesis, hence modeling trees by requiring they be rooted to perform photosynthesis isn't correct.

That would be all good but what if I wanted to model "realistic trees" not "imaginary trees" that are: "not rooted because they need to perform photosynthesis"

(I probebly will have to wait for the 3D virsion...  :( )

[shvarz]

I agree that "trees don't have to attach to earth to photosynthsize".  In fact, they don't have to attach to earth at all.  I am sure that if trees could keep their root system AND move around, they would certainly do that.  Bots, trees being unable to move is a side effect, not a cause of being a tree.  So making rules like "you have to fixpos to be able to photosynthesize" is not realistic.

[Botsareus]

I agree Shvartz, thats why we have to model realistic effect.

were the hell did you guys get the idea that I was intending to use fixpos? Trees with graby arms wth?

I know:

Then you find some other reason why they should be fixed.

fixed <> using fixpos my fault...

[Numsgil]

Blocked veggies are essentially fixed.  Same mechanism applies I believe.  Blocked veggies might even register .fixed as 1.  You may even be able to unfix them with an info shot (0 .shootval store .fixpos .shoot store)