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MysticalDumpling will love to see this
Botsareus:
Actually, that is exactly what the problem is, too much social drinking pressure. At least where I live right now specifically. Dudes and gals chilling at a pool all day with beer and the occasional bottle of proper jack's, throwing bags into wooden tilted hoops and talking about how good or bad the sex is.
vrukt:
Same where i am.
I was looking for some sort of equivalent around here to the German Chaos Computer Club, it just doesn't exist.
Consumption culture over production culture I guess.
Peter:
Never did anything with CCC, bit too far away, what's it like?
There're competent folks in there at least. Where the anon script kiddies would ddos something. They got people more likely to reverse engineer or hack something to prove a point.
Case in point. As a protest against using biometric data passports in Germany they published the fingerprint data of the minister responsible combined with info on how to fool fingerprint readers to identify you as that minister.
I think they're most known for hacking a million(?) or something from a bank that didn't believe the claims from CCC that their systems are insecure(they gave it back, just a stunt to prove it as insecure). Although the arrest of several hackers by the CIA for selling hacked data to the KGB may gotten more attention. Bad news often gets more attention.
vrukt:
Well CCC is just an example. They just formed as a computer club. A group of like-minded people meeting to share info, and allowing newcomers in to learn from their peers.
They've got a page on their Club Hierarchy here http://www.ccc.de/en/regional
You can see it's made up of semi-guided cells, regional clubs, with larger clubs in the larger cities, all trying to work together.
I just can't find things like that in this area. I think the only parallel to the CCC is a few small clubs in the highschools and universities, more for students than open-ended like the CCC.
This is also similar to what happened in California and Seattle in the USA in the 60s,70s,80s. You had a tech culture with meeting points.
I just seem to be in an isolated area, people here prefer not to deal with clubs, at least not those kind of clubs ;)
But hey, I guess that's what forums are for, fills the niche, and they have a less crypto-revolutionary overtone.
Botsareus:
I am not trying to be a revolutionary here. I am just trying to get other people who snoop around here and see this post to get the idea that they should stop thy self before wasting close to 11 years on a problem within a project that there parents refuse to believe in or simply do not understand or refuse to understand because they do not believe in it.
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