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« on: February 23, 2005, 10:51:23 AM »
The "basic" idea (which is funny to say, since the last three things I posted were all complicated, and all programmer-y-like, without actually speaking in a programming language) is that bots can turn waste into energy for a rather large amount of permanent waste.
This way, unless it's that bot's niche, or the bot reproduces insanely, it's much better to just shoot the waste, or give it to an unsuspecting victim.

To convert waste into energy, it'd be by setting a simple gene to how much waste you want to convert, which might be limited by something like (Body/50). Or just a flat out 25.

Like with photosynthesis, the program'll let you expend more energy then needed, allowing as a submethod for energy to vanish from the simulation, so there can be an addition of energy to the simulation.

Unlike most methods of conversion, which I suggested in the photosynthesis topic, waste conversion won't generate waste.
But it is pretty good energy, considering how much darned waste some bots can generate. You could hijack them, and steal it all! Or maybe harvest it from the enviroment, or something!
Anyway, to get back on the subject, you should gain 1 energy per waste. Not very efficient.
Considering it'll also get you 0.05 pwaste per waste!
But in the programming language, you'd actually gain 2 energy per waste, and lose 1 energy per waste that you attempt to convert.
So if every cycle, you try to turn 100 waste into 100 energy, and all you really get is 1 waste per cycle, that's 99 energy you're losing. Per cycle, even!
That means that you have to be smart about converting waste. Which also means that not every bot can do it successfully, and only a specialized bot should attempt such a lifestyle.

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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2005, 10:56:38 AM »
Please see Photosynthesis Thread where this has already been discussed.

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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2005, 03:27:45 PM »
PY, wasn't waste > energy conversion supposed to have been implemented with corpse mode?  :huh:

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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2005, 03:51:25 PM »
Yup

It sure was.

If a veggie gets hit by a waste shot or receives waste through a tie then it is transformed to energy on a half-life basis. Half of all waste is converted each cycle.

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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2005, 12:14:56 AM »
How about every 1 used energy bit produces 1 unit of waste.

Plants do this:

CO2 + Waste +Light = nrg + O2

Animals do this:

O2 + nrg = Waste + Co2

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2005, 10:10:31 AM »
Bit oversimplified that.

It is more like

Sunlight + CO2 --> photosynthesis --> O2 + energy.
Nitrates (NO3) + Energy --> cellulose(plant body)

But that is just splitting hairs.

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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2005, 10:22:34 AM »
cellulose =  repeating units of D-glucose...
What has got NO3 to do with it? Really,I don't know...
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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2005, 10:33:47 AM »
OK so I am oversimplifying it too.
The point is not to leave out body from the product of the equation.

Highly simplified, plants use sunlight, CO2 and nutrients to build their own body which is primarily cellulose or lignin.

The full chemical discription of the entire process would take a bit more space than a one or two liner. (BioChemistry is not my favorite field anyway.)

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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2005, 12:49:18 PM »
I was thinking waste represents Phosphates, which are the byproduct when ATP breaks into ADP.

BTW: Chemistry is my least favorite field.   <_<
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2005, 01:56:13 PM »
Pretty much all waste in the marine environment ends up as Ammonia. As for what gets left behind in the robot, I haven't got as clue.

Biology is my worst and least favorite area whereas environmental chemical filtration systems and the nitrogen cycle are probably my most favourite.

I was the study of aquatic ecosystems that got me into taking a Chemistry degree in the first place.

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