Shvartz, can you help me out?

[Numsgil]

Try randomly removing some active genes and see if the behavior changes at all.  Especially with the stak nature of the program, even a gene that just puts 50 on the stack can be useful.

[shvarz]

Ahm, too much work :)

Maybe when I get tired of evolving this thing...

I can post it here though, if anyone is interested.

[Sprotiel]

Yes, post it please!

[shvarz]

Attached.

[Sprotiel]

Are you sure it's the right file ? It has only 10 genes and two of them are syntactically invalid (4 and 5).

[shvarz]

More weidness...  The bots in the sim have 14-15 genes.  The bots in the snapshot have 10-11 genes.  Something's messed up for sure.  I saved one of the bots as an organism, I'll attach it here.  It had 15 genes in the sim, try it and let me know what it looks like.

[shvarz]

An update:  it turns out that even in the sim the bot has 10 genes, but when I click "show activations" - there are 15 genes in there.  So probably something is messed up there.

Nums, PY, are you reading this?   Another bug!

[PurpleYouko]

Looks like there is another bug too.

I can't load the organism file without it totally crashing DB.

How about just posting the DNA.

[shvarz]

Good thing I did not try that.  Here is another random-picked bot from the sim:

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  *.nrg  20536 >
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 div  *.tielen3 inc
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  *102 inc
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  50  743  *.myeye  .repro store
  369  380  *297
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'''''''''Gene  2: Last 'stop' at position  30'''''''''

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  *.nrg  20536 >
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start
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  51  300 add
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'''''''''Gene  3: Last 'stop' at position  46'''''''''

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  *.nrg  20536 >
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  53  300
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'''''''''Gene  4: Last 'stop' at position  64'''''''''

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stop

'''''''''Gene  5: Last 'stop' at position  74'''''''''

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  *.out2  *490 !%=
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stop

'''''''''Gene  6: Last 'stop' at position  84'''''''''

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  *649  *.hitsx <=
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  1168  *.refvelsx add  *516  *.refpoison  *.rdboy -12 rnd  *.rdboy  *395 sub -12 rnd  *553 rnd -12 mult sub rnd sub inc
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  *387  *.rdboy store
 rnd  *387  *.rdboy rnd  *387  *.rdboy rnd  *.robage  *159  *.sharenrg sub  *43  *121  *735  *916  *.mydn sub rnd  *.shootval  *.shdx mult  *735  *372  *768 rnd inc
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  *615 -1 div -1292  *.pwaste inc
 inc
  *.pwaste -245 inc
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  *353 -1179 -1022 dec
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  841  *781  11 dec
  847 -549  11  *.sharewaste inc
  *868  *.trefvelmydx -434  0 div div inc
  9 mult  1  354 store
 -813  10 add mult  *.trefvelmydx  1  698  *676 rnd  *.trefaimsx  11 div  342 store
 store
  1278 inc
  1342
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'''''''''Gene  7: Last 'stop' at position  254'''''''''

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  *.tieval  53  1168  *.refvelsx rnd  *652  *553 -12 dec
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 rnd  *735 add rnd  *.fixpos inc
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 rnd  *735 rnd rnd  *44 div rnd rnd div mult  *.refaimdx rnd dec
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  630 add div add dec
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  *435  *.treffixed inc
  .up store
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  *.backshot  *.daytime store
  218 -1203 inc
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  9 div dec
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  10 add  1  *676 store
  11  .up store
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  *415 mult  1581 store
  *415  1278 inc
  1342  *.shdn  *40
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'''''''''Gene  8: Last 'stop' at position  431'''''''''

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  *.tieang2  *591 inc
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  401 -376 dec
  1277 -220 -794 inc
  1163 store
  539 -178 div  1465 dec
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  7 rnd rnd -949
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'''''''''Gene  9: Last 'stop' at position  477'''''''''

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 -1  7 -1  7
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'''''''''Gene  10: Last 'stop' at position  484'''''''''

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'''''''''Gene  11: Last 'stop' at position  551'''''''''

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'''''''''Gene  12: Last 'stop' at position  613'''''''''

end

It shows up in my sim as having 15 genes.

[Botsareus]

So I am gessing nothing interesting is happening because Shvartz is getting tierd.

The Bot just moves arround junk , and still just moves in straight lines and shoots...

Were is the evolution?  <_<

And by the way the most resently posted robot (in the quote) runs backwords and does not feed at all  :unsure:  :blink: (I am sure it does not do that in shvartz simulation)

[Botsareus]

You cant beat reading somthing like this:

cond
  *.out2  *490 !%=
cond
store
!%=
cond
store
stop

What am I supposed to do with that?

 :sleep:

[shvarz]

I'm guessing this stuff (multiple conds in same gene) is what makes the program beleive that there are 18 genes instead of the actual 12.

Yeah, the bot learned to slow down whenever it hits something (usually food) and does not evolve any further.  The fact that the program's mutation routine is messed up does not help either...  The good news is that it has tons of DNA now and most of the genes are not junk, but are active genes.  I think the current bot is good enough to survive in the current sim and that's why it is stuck in evolutionary pathway.  So I am going to try and create some more selective pressure for it.  After all,  right now the bot's population does not follow the "up and down" curve that is indicative of a good selective pressure.

So, yes, I am getting tired, but I am still far away from giving up!

[PurpleYouko]

The problem that I found was that any robot not travelling parralel to all the others just gets trashed the moment it steps out of line and crosses the strafing path of the others. Maybe we shouldn't have started with a bot that shoots all the time.

[Botsareus]

PY, my point for this whole thing was to start from as simple as possible.

I think shoot all the time was as simple as possible.


Atleast now you can see why I was going crazy saying that we need a better mutations code and stuff, its just so mutch stuff this robot needs to learn to do and the dna is going through a lot of chance to find it. This

916  *.mydn sub rnd  *.shootval  *.shdx mult  *735  *372  *768 rnd inc
  446 -130 div rnd -130 sub rnd -130 sub rnd  *735 rnd -215  214  775  *.

is what the currant mutation system gives you.
And beleave me to write somthing better without hurting the math; (just basic conditions and basic instructions) is difficult.

[shvarz]

I actually think this part of mutation routine is working fine - we are getting all sorts of mutations.  What needs to be fixed is the abnormal syntax.

As for PY's point - I am now increasing the size of the sim and leaving the same amount of veggies, so food and bots will be more dispersed.  I am at size 9 now and I am already seing bots running in many more than a single direction.