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Shvartz, can you help me out?

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shvarz:
It used to be around 280, now I brought it down to 210.  I don't like to introduce changes rapidly as it often leads to crash in population.

Another thing that I noticed is that bots tend to all align with each other and run parallel to each other.  This way they avoid bumping into each other.  If one of them mutates and starts running in circles, then it is bound to run into other bots and gets killed quickly - another disdvantage of having fast-moving bots in small-size screen.

Botsareus:
thx Shvartz, It all make sense now.


look here what I got:

I tryed my method again with purely F1 contest rules... Its slooowww but:


--- Quote ---cond
  *.nrg
  30000
  >
start
  add
  50
  .repro
  store
stop

cond
start
 -1
  7
stop

cond
start
  store
  20
  rnd
  .up
  store
stop
end
'5,297,281,285,293,310,253,312,303,289,296,313,309,339,271
--- End quote ---

Numsgil:

--- Quote ---It used to be around 280, now I brought it down to 210.  I don't like to introduce changes rapidly as it often leads to crash in population.

Another thing that I noticed is that bots tend to all align with each other and run parallel to each other.  This way they avoid bumping into each other.  If one of them mutates and starts running in circles, then it is bound to run into other bots and gets killed quickly - another disdvantage of having fast-moving bots in small-size screen.
--- End quote ---
Try introducing Zero Momentum to the sim.  That should teach them :P

shvarz:
Zero momentum is too much.  I'll wait till you release that new shiny version where "zero momentum=100% friction".  Meanwhile I just increased the size of the sim to 6 and reduced veggies to 180.  Seems to help - I see some bots are moving very slowly now.  Here is an example:


--- Quote ---cond
  *.nrg  20536 >
  *.nrg  20014 !%=
start
  *.hitsx  *.tielen3 inc
 inc
  *.daytime inc
 inc
  50  300  369  380
stop

'''''''''Gene  2: Last 'stop' at position  21'''''''''

cond
  *.nrg  20536 >
  *.nrg  20536 !%=
start
  *.tielen3 inc
 inc
  *.daytime inc
 inc
  50  300  369  380
stop

'''''''''Gene  3: Last 'stop' at position  41'''''''''

cond
  *.nrg  20536 >
  *.nrg  20536 !%=
  *.nrg  19616 !%=
start
 inc
  51  300
stop

'''''''''Gene  4: Last 'stop' at position  57'''''''''

cond
  *.out2  *490 !%=
cond
 store
stop

'''''''''Gene  5: Last 'stop' at position  68'''''''''

cond
  *.shareslime  *180 !%=
start
  1168  *.refvelsx store
  *652  *.rdboy -12 rnd  *553 -12 rnd sub rnd sub sub rnd  *790  *387  *.rdboy rnd  *387  *.rdboy rnd  *.sharenrg sub  *735  *916  *.mydn rnd  *.shootval  *.shdx mult  *735  *372  *768 rnd inc
  446 -130 dec
 rnd  *735 rnd -215 sub  *.daytime dec
  *615 -1 div -1292  *.pwaste inc
 inc
  *.pwaste inc
 inc
  *307 div  460 -565  644  .tieang3 store
  *273 dec
 -1179 dec
 store
  *948  218 -1203 inc
  841  11 dec
  841 -549  11 inc
  *868  *.trefvelmydx -434  1 div div inc
  9  1  354 store
  10 add  *.fdbody  1  *676 store
  11  .up store
 inc
  1278 inc
  1342
stop

'''''''''Gene  6: Last 'stop' at position  186'''''''''

cond
  *.shareslime  *.eye8 !%=
start
  1168  *.refvelsx store
  *652  *553 -12 dec
  *.sx sub  401 rnd mult rnd sub  962  *.hitup  *735  *.shdx dec
  *735  *107 -1195  *772  *.trefypos div  *772  *.trefypos div dec
 rnd  *735 rnd inc
  *735 rnd inc
  *735 rnd  669 inc
  *735 rnd sub inc
  *.daytime dec
  1 store
 div -1460 -1292  *.pwaste inc
 inc
  395 -909 add  *307 div add  *.eye1 div  460 -565  460 dec
 -565 dec
 store
 store
  *.tie  218 -1203 inc
  10  *868  *381 inc
 div  *.trefvelmydn  1 div  *.trefvelmydn  1 div  9 -8  1 -354 store
  10 add  1  *676 store
  11  .up store
 store
  1278 inc
  1342
stop

'''''''''Gene  7: Last 'stop' at position  301'''''''''

cond
start
  *.tieang2  *591 inc
  *.trefypos  *591 inc
 sub -382  *816 -331  401 -376 -792 inc
 -1163 -178 div -1  7 rnd
stop

'''''''''Gene  8: Last 'stop' at position  324'''''''''

cond
start
 -1  7 -403 -1  7
stop

'''''''''Gene  9: Last 'stop' at position  334'''''''''

cond
start
 store
 sub  10 add sub  10 dec
 add  *650  *969 store
  *650  *969 store
 dec
 div sub mult dec
 sub sub store
 dec
 sub inc
 dec
 sub store
 dec
 sub store
 dec
 inc
 div dec
 inc
 add dec
 inc
 add dec
 div add  1 sub
stop

'''''''''Gene  10: Last 'stop' at position  383'''''''''

end
--- End quote ---

Genes 4-10 are active.  What's all that duplication in gene 10 about?  wtf?  clearing out stack?  Also look at gene 4 - it has 2 conditions and no start - but it still works.  Weird.  And how did it get this way?

Btw, the overall mutation says this bot got only 1 mutation - shows you how seriously  messed up that routine is.

Shen:
Curious, I nearly always get the same condition change that you get on repro genes. Changing > to !%= gives an automatic boost of several thousand energy, though presumably requires two seperate mutations, a duplicate and a straight up change > to !%=. Why that would be more benificial I dunno.

Oh yeah and the mutations are in seriously need of an overhaul. I get crashes if I open the mutation graphs. Bots always reports 0 mutations. The bot info panel reports mutations that havnt occured, mutations that are different from actual changes or mutations that make no sense (I get inserted instruction ,,, a lot). Gene syntax gets changed which is obviously bad. The mutation toggle button seems to turn on and off randomly. And the strangest of all, my sims seem to stop mutating after a while, dunno why or even if its just luck, but ive run sims for millions of cycles and ended up with the exact same bot, could be me, anyone else noticed this?

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