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Numsgil:
good to see Bot's poor spelling isn't English-only.   :P

PurpleYouko:

--- Quote ---They have some killer space fights
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Funny you should mention the space fights as those are the main reason that I think all the Star Wars films are CRAP!

I mean what is the deal with these X wing fighters?


They look like regular air planes. They have wings and then they open the things up for combat. Perhaps this gives them a  larger airofoil surface for increased maneuverability........

Like that would make a scrap of difference IN SPACE!!!!

Then they all hurtle around like a bunch of morons with their rocket motors on full thrust while they take corners faster than a Grumman Tomcat (F14).... with absolutely no sign of side thrusters, without which it is impossible to change course in a vacuum

Star Wars has a similar amount of realism as the Grinch.

Bunch of crap, the lot of it.


 :P  :P  :P  :P  :P

Numsgil:
Popular SciFi (ie: TV and movies) usually seem to lag a good generation behind the literary kind.  The only real exception I've ever seen is the original Twilight Zone, which even now doesn't seem dated.

Star Wars is clearly a space opera (arguably a poor one) like the science fiction from the ~30s.

Science Fiction today, such as Star Trek TNG and later, Stargate, and the newer Battlestar Galactica (which, seems to me, to have about as much similarity to the older version as bizzaro world has to our own world.  Not sure yet if that's good or bad, I'm just saying...) are more sophisticated than the simpler pop science fiction from 30 years ago.  Not quite as avant garde as the New Wave stuff was in literature ~30 years ago (like the Ticktock Man, for instance), but definately take from the humanist angle and explores interpersonal relationships and politics/diplomacy more than just science and swashbuckling Kirkish adventure.

Battlestar Galactica especially.  They mention science in passing (and amazingly to me, they haven't made a single mistake that I've managed to catch.  And I know quite a bit.  Pretty good for a series where the science isn't even that important to the story).  

Which is why when people go see Star Wars, they're saying 'yeah, and...?'.  Even the Joe Schmoe off the street is used to more sophisticated storytelling than people were 30 years ago.  Which means that Lucas at his peak probably couldn't cut it in today's culture, let alone the shrivelled up hollow shell of Lucas we have today.

PurpleYouko:

--- Quote ---the newer Battlestar Galactica (which, seems to me, to have about as much similarity to the older version as bizzaro world has to our own world
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Right!

I mean what is the deal with making Starbuck into a woman?  :blink:

And Cylons that are more or less indistinguishable from Humans? Instead of goofy great Cyber-man rip-offs.

Pretty good show though.

If you want real Science fiction in book form then I think you would have a long way to go to beat Greg Bear.

Numsgil:
I think they made cylons look like humans to explore contemporary issues like counter terrorism, etc.  

Originally I was really disappointed.  I had a hard time getting into it.  It was just really dramatic (the original had a lot of spoof and sideline comedy which I really liked) which I'm not used to after Stargate and Star Trek TNG.  And their culture is so clearly Western, which I saw as a cop-out.

But I like the actress who plays the president (she was Donnie Darko's mother) and I like the Doctor with the long hair who is borderline crazy (even without seeing a cylon woman no one else can).

Now, after I'm used to the style and am getting into the story more, I'm really beginning to like it.  The religous angle is so rarely used in modern science fiction, except perhaps as Frank Herbert used it, that is, as a method for control or as a sign of a 'primitive' culture.  I really like how they explore the Hellinistic-ish religion and fulfillment of prophecy, and the conflict with Adama who doesn't believe.

And I especially appreciate how they treat the red shirts.  That is, they aren't losing a crewmember at the beginning of each episode like a certain other series that shall remain nameless.  There's just alot of attention to detail, both science and people related, which seems so rare in today's science fiction, literature included.

However, they changed the series so much that calling it Battlestar Galactica really is a misnomer, and rather unfortunate in my opinion.  It really is it's own entity.

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