Are u a creationist?

[Greven]

Just to check if we got any spies :D

[Greven]

Btw, I dont want to offend anyone! Okay? :unsure:

[PurpleYouko]

How about the in-between option where God created life and then left it to evolve with possibly occasional tweaking.
That way both could be true.
That is also the official line for many leading religions including Catholics.

Personally I live by the rules of evidence and I don't see any evidence whatsoever for the existence of a God. But then that is just me.

[Greven]

Possible! But still either you believe in Intelligent Design or you dont, and that is my question!

Sorry if it is not clear enough!

[PurpleYouko]

If it is specifically ID that you are refering to (irreducible complexity and all that stuff) then I gues that would preclude my extra option since it would invalidate all but the most limited form of evolution if it were true.

[fact]Evolution happens[/fact]
There is simply too much evidence out there for it.

[fact2]ID has about as much supporting evidence as does the cult of the great Pink Unicorn[/fact2]

How about that as an extra option?  :D

[PurpleYouko]

Anyway, ID, per se, has absolutely nothing to do with God.

The fact that it is a thinly veiled attempt to introduce religion into our science classes is neither here nor there.

It is quite possible that the actual designer was in fact the afore-mentioned Pink Unicorn.

[Old Henk]

Well I'm a creatonist I suppose, but not really hard-core or anything. It's just that I'm no evolutionist :)
I do believe in God, but I also believe in micro-evolultion (not much of a believe, more factual), and that God made the creation adaptable, because the rest of the universe is too...
Would be a shame if Adam and Eve died shortly after their creation... all that hard work...  ;)

[PurpleYouko]

How do you differentiate micro-evolution from macro-evolution though since macro is just a whole bunch of micros end to end?  :unsure:

[MightyPenguin]

How do you differentiate micro-evolution from macro-evolution though since macro is just a whole bunch of micros end to end?  :unsure:

If something tries to evolve beyond what God thinks it should, he SMITETH IT MIGHTILY, with VENGENCE!

[Numsgil]

[fact2]ID has about as much supporting evidence as does the cult of the great Pink Unicorn[/fact2]

Infidel!  The might Unihorned One will ride down from His enchanted castle in the sky, on a chariot of rainbows, to bathe the world in the blood of the unbelieving!


Personally, I believe that God is evolution, that that's how God works.  His modus operendi.  If schvarz makes a cool bot on his computer running a simulation for ~9 Billion cycles, we'd all still probably say it belonged to schvarz, since schvarz created the rules and tweaked it along the way, getting rid of poor divergent paths allong the way.

Same thing with God.  He created us because he was the master hand guiding our evolution.

[Shen]

Believing evolution and believing in God arnt mutually exclusive. Like PY said, obviously evolution happens, FACT. The only people who deny it are the kind of people who think the Earth is only 5,000 years old and cant accept that God might work in ways not described in the good book.

Whos to say God didnt drop his sandwich on Earth, forget about it for 4 billion years and come back to find it evolved into curious monkeys.

[PurpleYouko]

I still think that we are all just 3 dimensional graphical images in a gigantinormous pan-super-fantasmico mega computer running the mother of all evolution sims.

The end is nigh!

Beware the time of the great hard drive crash

God's bed time comes a close second. He has to turn off the PC sooner or later. I just hope he has a really good save file hierarchy worked out.

[Zelos]

persinal I dont belive in a god, its simply not possible for a god to exist by the laws of nature we have today.

[Numsgil]

Ah, yes, God can[I/] exist by the laws of nature today.

Some could say that God is a Big Brother type alien society, who monitors Earth constantly and works tirelessly to manipulate humanity to a common goal (moral awareness, which would be imperitive for any species that would interact on the galactic stage.  A species with technological ability but no morality could destroy a galactic patchwork civilization(s) based on mutual trust and open trade).

Or God could be a team of entertainment proffessionals who tape us for their candid camera tv show/website/magical into-your-brain machine, and who give us crazy commandments that go against our very nature because "it makes good TV."

Or God could be a higher dimensional being, able to watch all of 3D space simoltaneously without being seen.

Or God could be a super parallel processor computer, able to perform many actions simoltaneously, and able to monitor Earth through sophisticated bugging techniques.

Or He could even be what he says he is, a God, an immortal being of immense personal power and strong morality who also is able to multitask and observe all of everything simoltaneously, and who is, even today, still a bit beyond our comprehension.

Point is there isn't a single rule that exists that eliminates all possibilities of a God.  Neither is there a rule that demands the existance of a God.  The Laws of Nature are decidedly agnostic, which I believe is the only truly safe conclusion.

[Greven]

Wow, I just wanted to make a bit of fun, and you all start to discuss it!  :wacko:

But God could be anything, but with no proof, either direct nor indirect, it would be wrong to conclude God exist, there is no direct proof of evolution says the creationist, but with all AL software to prove them wrong.

AL is not life, but the software often optimizes to the egde of the rules in the simulation or co-evolve with the other creatures. Or has God a finger in this tooo?

Dont you think our mighty (evil?) (All-forgiving?) has other things to do, oh I did forget The Lord is Almighty, and can do/make etc. everything in the split of a nano-second.

I have no problem with people believing in God, I am actully not sure what I do, but I am a evolutionist troughout, but we need to understand that innovation and progress aint created by one-eyed people, like the medieval Europe and the now fundamentalist regimes of the Muslim society and Bush' religious supportes, "My idol is Jesus" or what ever he did say... (Hope you understand)!