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Numsgil:

--- Quote ---a good bit of it can be more or less proven to be out of chronological order or just plain wrong as far as time scales go.
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That's what I'm talking about with more or less factual.  Ancient people told stories in funny ways.

They'd jump around in the telling as they remembered things.  Chronological order wasn't their primary concern (I doubt it was a concern at all), but all the events that are described very probably occurred in one form or another (some could be allegorical or just plain made up during the times of Jewish scattering).


--- Quote ---just the future telling is impossible, nothing is more unpredicteble as the future is.
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Think about Dune and the Foundation series.  Trying to figure out a single person's future is hard.  Trying to figure out the future course of history is easy.  Sci Fi authors do it all the time, and some have managed to be fairly right.

In fact, I'm going to predict that there'll be a war in the Middle East between Israel and a coallition of its neighbor muslim nations.  At this point in history, that's probably an incredibly safe bet.  And remember, as long as you say 'in the future', you have until the end of time for it to come true.  And if you speak symbolically, then you have even more lee way.

So it's possible.  That the prophets were pretty good at being right is probably why it's called a 'miracle'.

Zelos:
it aint possible, you make guesses and if your lucky you get it right, even futorologs have hard pridicting the future, the jockers is tehre and playing whit them.
if you say "in the future" then you will allways have right if mankind will always exist, it will then at sometime happen. but a true future teller tells the exakt date, time for everything. thats true future telling

PurpleYouko:
I think my Mom must be a prophet then.

Here is a little (true) tale to get you thinking.

It was about 1979 and my Dad and I were just settling down to watch the semi final of the world snooker championship on TV. The match was between Cliff Thorburn and Ray Reordan I think, and was 100% LIVE, not recorded! we had been waiting for the match to start all day.

About half way through the first frame, my Mom came into the room and said.
"Why are you watching this match again?"
She insisted that she had seen it before even though it was LIVE.
My Dad and I thought she must be going mad or something and told her as much.
She then proceeded to describe the entire match shot for shot. (She has an amazing, if a little bizarre, memory to this day)
She was absolutely correct about every single detail of the match. Each shot went exactly as she said it would. She didn't miss out on a single thing.

This wasn't the only time this happened either. My Mom used to do this kind of thing on a more or less regular basis.
Every Saturday we used to play "pick the horse" for the Saturday afternoon horse races. For 15 years she picked the winning horse in EVERY race. I always hit and missed on what I considered a pretty good rate but my Mom got it right 100% of the time

What really pisses me off is that she has always been morally opposed to gambling so we we never got a penny out of it.  <_<

I have seen way too many weird things happen to write supposedly supernatural stuff off as impossible. I am more of the opinion that science just hasn't found a way to measure any of it yet.

Zelos:
by just using the word supernatuaral ur saying that its not natuaral and ifits not natuaral then it cant happen

Numsgil:
[facetious]

No, it's super natural.

Like superman.  He's just a man that's raised to the 100th power.

So supernatural is just a natural event that's raised to the 100th power.  Like a hurricane that can jump tall buildings in a single bound.  That's a 'supernatural' event.
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Supernatural just describes events we can't describe with convential science.  Ball lightning was supernatural for a long time, and it's still not well understood.  That's the perfect example.  It's hard to isolate the phenomenon, so it's hard to observe and reproduce, so it's hard for science to figure it out.

If I told you that I saw something spherical that entered buildings through windows and doors, you'd say that I was a liar or call it a supernatural event.  But it's not, it's ball lightning.  Read about it here.  We have a hard time explaining them with regular science, that doesn't mean they don't exist.

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