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Endy:
Hooray! I'm back...briefly. <_<

Oh well, a few days are better than nothing. :)

Had an idea for a SG bot using delgene to delbritly delete it's child's gene and then vshooting a duplicate of it's dna at the empty cell. Should all but eliminate the likelihood of mutations even in mutation sims. Kind of pointless in some ways, but would be interesting to see. Sometime, when I have time again :D  I'm going to try to make it work.

Kind of disturbing how close to reality this is...

Edit:
Oops didn't see The One's post. Still it itsn't quite the same... If I can figure out One's dna maybe I can make it work.


Endy B)

P.S.
Hey thanks to all those who wished me off, through the marvel of celluar technology; I was able to read them while waiting to head out. :)

Carlo:
It's a good idea, but I'd like to generalize it more. Just add an instruction allowing robots to create an empty cellular body, and then (maybe adding some other instruction, if necessary) they could use shots or ties to pump in it a copy of their dna, gene by gene. Mutation routines could then be applied to shooted genes (they should already apply, do they?). This way you'd have a more interesting and complex reproduction system. If you want to keep also the old one, you can always run separate sims, say the simple repro sims and the complex repro sims.

Necessary instructions/ operations would be:

0) create empty body (options: with little or no energy, so that the parent has to actively transfer its energy)
1) copy-and-shoot arbitrary gene OR copy-and-pump arbitrary gene (for ties)
2) test for the genome length (to know when to stop copying)

hmmm.... that's all?

Bye
Carlo

Endy:
It would be possible to accomplish that right now with viruses but the genes would have to be extremly short(I think vtimer max is dnalen sqr). It would also be hard ensuring the child receives all the genes, the problem similar to creating complex MBs. If it was enabled to work for ties and faster, it would be easier. Possibly allow it to only work for the birth tie to prevent abuse.

I don't think the viruses are currently mutated in passing between bots. I've seen dozens of them in a bot and seen no changes barring mutation of the bot itself.

The delgene(if not an inserted bot) part is working correctly. Still working on the vshoot peice.

Endy B)

Carlo:

--- Quote ---If it was enabled to work for ties and faster, it would be easier. Possibly allow it to only work for the birth tie to prevent abuse.
--- End quote ---

Well', I'd rather do the opposite: that is, unify birth ties and normal ties. Say that birth ties last forever, and robots have to actively delete them if they want to detach from the parent/son. Yes, this could lead - in case of mutations- to huge agglomerates of cells; but if ties are well managed (read: if the program don't crash) those agglomerates should be rapidly defeated by unmutated bots, more efficient.

Hmm. abuse... abuse... but, isn't it worse, to allow robots to shoot genes, instead of pumping them through ties? I mean, shooting viruses around is much more dangerous, viruses can spread much more easily. So maybe I'd rather kill the ability to shoot genes, and leave it all to ties.

Probably viruses are not yet mutated, but they should. It would be very interesting, and become necessary if they become a reproduction method.

Carlo

Numsgil:
I agree.

Viruses should mutate.

You should be able to transfer DNA through ties.

Ties should be able to stay attached between daughter and mother cells.

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