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Evolved Neural Network
jknilinux:
Hey moonfisher! I've been wondering what has become of your NNmod of DB. Have you tried it? Have you evolved anything interesting?
Moonfisher:
Well ran a sim over a week or so, then next time I had to load it I realized I made an error either when saving or loading the newest NN data...
The last bot I can find that I saved looked like this :
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I generaly seemed that with a NN the bot was able to quickly finetune settings... but was less likely to evolve something new. So it was mainly good at adapting.
I don't think the way DB code works and a NN are all that different when it comes down to it. Most evolved code I've seen crossreferences data all over the place, much like I'd imagine a biological NN would do.
DB code can just take bigger steps, but is also less likely to achieve something usefull with a mutation.
But since I couldn't load that sim I was running up again I kinda put the whole thing on hold for a while.
I know one of the versions was able to save and load properly, but it was lacking other features. Also the long code generated for the NN makes the sim run slower
Overall the mod is not properly done and may be interesting, but not any better for running evo sims I think.
Numsgil:
--- Quote from: Moonfisher ---I don't think the way DB code works and a NN are all that different when it comes down to it.
--- End quote ---
Came to the same conclusion when I was redoing DNA for DB3. I was toying around with the idea of a neural net with programmable weights, but realized it was becoming regular old DNA anyway.
peterb:
--- Quote from: Numsgil ---
--- Quote from: Moonfisher ---I don't think the way DB code works and a NN are all that different when it comes down to it.
--- End quote ---
Came to the same conclusion when I was redoing DNA for DB3. I was toying around with the idea of a neural net with programmable weights, but realized it was becoming regular old DNA anyway.
--- End quote ---
... We try to make neural nets inside a single bot, thats the problem i think.
Another aprouch is to Design (outside of DB ?) a multibot in which each bot equals a single neuron.
Still it is complex (because of all connected ties (and getting them connect to the right other neuron).
But if you can do that .... maybe its possible.
I think this rather requires some kind of external multibot editor.
who can put it in a safe game format.
And in which each bot we can put specific DNA.. well let call it protains functions )
As to safe such multibot (like .repro) we would need a new repro command to put such advanced bleuprint trough..
.... thinking futher.. maybe all these DNA codemay exist then in each cell (just as our DNA) but only have the right ones active..
Still then we ned another way of repro (to build at once the same complex child with a repro)
..
hmmm.. then if you got it... how to train it ? (is food enough to train it?)
ashton15:
--- Quote ---... We try to make neural nets inside a single bot, thats the problem i think.
Another aprouch is to Design (outside of DB ?) a multibot in which each bot equals a single neuron.
Still it is complex (because of all connected ties (and getting them connect to the right other neuron).
But if you can do that .... maybe its possible.
--- End quote ---
Would be more realistic but problem is for that kind of thing surely you would need loads of bots as in 100s and we know how much that can cripple performance, perhaps each but could contain a small neural net within a single cell and link to another bot which was like a small compartment of the brain.
--- Quote ---I think this rather requires some kind of external multibot editor.
who can put it in a safe game format.
And in which each bot we can put specific DNA.. well let call it protains functions )
--- End quote ---
Me likey... A lot, would help because take a person for example and take it apart and then expect the individual cells to re-assemble, just doesn't work when you start from scratch
--- Quote ---As to safe such multibot (like .repro) we would need a new repro command to put such advanced bleuprint trough..
--- End quote ---
hmm... I'd agree that probably agree that the hardest thing about multibots is assembly... though a function like that just seems to plastic to me
--- Quote ---.... thinking futher.. maybe all these DNA codemay exist then in each cell (just as our DNA) but only have the right ones active..
Still then we ned another way of repro (to build at once the same complex child with a repro)
--- End quote ---
Isn't this bieng worked on for DB3?
--- Quote ---..
hmmm.. then if you got it... how to train it ? (is food enough to train it?)
--- End quote ---
What about possesion? Also why train it? Surely partially it would be instinctive behaviours and then others it would learn from it's enviroment and parent natrually.
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