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Pole for the new F2 rules.

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Moonfisher:
Now the ups and downs as I see them :

1. It's a grey area... when is somthing an exploit. I would say a good rule of thumb is that if you're using uncapped sysvars to kill a bot faster than you should be able to, then it's an exploit.
But there's probably other situations, personaly I think raping alge is an exploit (But sexrepro is only allowed in F1, so it doesn't matter).

2. This would mean a lot of maintenance for all the old F2 bots since most have tie defences.

3. This would also cause maintenance of old bots, and it would break the rule against tie feeding in F2. I think this is too drastic a change considering that all bots in F2 are buildt with the knowledge that tie feeding was illegal in F2.

4. About the same rule as #2, but only if your bot creates ties (For instance if it's a multibot). So basicaly if you at any point store a value in .tie then you're not allowed to use .tieloc and .tienum in any way. This would allow the current bots to keep their tie defences, and allow MB's in F2, but still prevent the use of dirty tricks through ties.



Personaly I'm favoring rule 1 and 4... I think that would be enough to keep F2 more interesting and it wouldn't require any changes or rerunning of the league. (Except I think the 2 top F2 bots would need to be refactored, but I believe that's a good thing)

Peter:
I agree completely with you. Altrough the first one is a little tough to control. As yo said it is a gray area.
Any uncapped sysvars should be handycapped as soon as possible anyway.

The second point, I think most bots should be able to have some tie-defence when running in F1-anyway. But the main point is ,who would want to do the maintaince.

Four, I agree with that. It will effectively shut down instatie-attacks and it will accept multibots.

I think that is nice for me  , a first prototye tie-moving MB of mine defeats MB-league with ease. And it could do fine in F2.

Commander Keen:
I agree with 1/4. They make the most sense and are by far the easiest to implement.

Peter:
I agree with you all, but this poll just misses the option 5. F2-league is just fine as it is right now.

Peter:
1.
About point4. No tieloc and tieval. I would like to use them in a MB. It could be that only tin/tout isn't enough for communication between ties, may I use the area of 50-150(if those are free) for tieval storing. Or any other free area for the couse, including racial memory.

2.
Second, in some cases even direct storing in active sysvars could be easier and more effiecient. Like one part of a MB tells directly at the other part it should move upwards.


Ofcource both options are all regulated with some tin/tout conspec recocnition. Should a bot that uses tieval that way be allowed in F2. I think it may be allowed.


I would like to change the rule towards, no tieloc/tieval stores in other bots then your own specie when controlling ties.

What do you all think?

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