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New F1 bot standings
ikke:
Perhaps develop ranking like in chess, where eveybody has a point average. I don't know the details, but if a low point beats high point he gains a lot (and the high looses a lot) if the low point looses he looses a little (he was expected to do so). In such a system you don't have to play everyone, you just organise appropriate contests. It allows for incremental updating if a new player appears.
Peter:
--- Quote from: Numsgil ---I have no objection with him posting results It's too unwieldy for new users, though, to be the "official" run. Part of the idea of the league is that you automate it to see how a version of your bot does compared to another version. You need a ladder for that to make sense.
But since F1 is presently on hiatus, bac's method fills something of a vacuum, so I guess I shouldn't complain
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To set the record straight, I don't believe bac or anyone else wants to run this league the same way in the future.
You can agree that is the top of the league there where some weaker bots, that where defended by Excalibur. This league table puts a more serious kind of leaguetable then one where guardian was even in the league.
I would (as far that wasn't clear already) like to propose this as the new league table, and let all new league-challangers be run at the old way.
--- Quote from: ikke ---Perhaps develop ranking like in chess, where eveybody has a point average. I don't know the details, but if a low point beats high point he gains a lot (and the high looses a lot) if the low point looses he looses a little (he was expected to do so). In such a system you don't have to play everyone, you just organise appropriate contests. It allows for incremental updating if a new player appears.
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No, that is complicated enough. If you look into it a rating system as with chess or draughts could be complicated to setup in DB, I wouldn't know where to start, to me this sounds as an 'líttle' absurb proposal.
To give an example for the complexity, there where multiple chess/draughts worldtitelskeepers that kept first in the ranglist by not playing (almost)any game for serveral years. One of the best proposals would be the only ever chess-world title holder that came from the USA. He got the worldtitle never payed again, and it took years after that he won it to lose it. Another one would be the current tittle holder of draughts. The dutchman Ton Sybrands didn't really played that many draughts matches the last several years. If believe he has quit now, but it will take time before official ranglists get it.
Just some random useless knowledge I know from thinking sports.
bacillus:
I don't see how the Swiss avg. point system will work with this, but you're right, It was very elaborate making the starter table, and no method's perfect eg. a bot may beat Etch but not anything else.
Numsgil:
Excalibur was under ranked in later versions (I think a bug was introduced that lowered its effectiveness, then it was fixed later). Ideally when a new version is released the current league table is rerun, in league order. So Excalibur would have been the #1 bot. It's still possible to get stuck on a bot that you can't beat, but beat all the ones above it. But I think that's fine, it should be an easy or even semi-hard thing to get #1 in the league. It should be really, really hard. That's the whole point.
Peter:
--- Quote from: Numsgil ---Excalibur was under ranked in later versions (I think a bug was introduced that lowered its effectiveness, then it was fixed later). Ideally when a new version is released the current league table is rerun, in league order. So Excalibur would have been the #1 bot.
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I'd go with the rerunning the league order. I didn't thought about that. That elliminates 'stupid old' bots like guardian and aura too.
About that excalibur could be first. I tend to miss a bot Well a bot that I would possible see as first too.
Where is the first etch? Did you forget him, or did he just blew completely.
--- Quote ---It's still possible to get stuck on a bot that you can't beat, but beat all the ones above it. But I think that's fine, it should be an easy or even semi-hard thing to get #1 in the league.
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Look up, look below. Do you have different oppinions.
--- Quote ---It should be really, really hard. That's the whole point.
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Anyway, your point is made. I'm over to your side. He, wait you persuaded me fast.
Bac., how did you run all the bots from the starting gate into your league. You posted the results with all the other starting bots left a few hours after the first ranking without them. That is fast.
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