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« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2008, 02:29:28 PM »
North America is huge and sparsely populated compared to Europe, so I think the extra oil consumption has to do with driving from point A to point B.  In Europe things are more densely packed, so you end up driving less during the day.  That's my guess anyway.  It's not like Americans are sitting outside and just burning oil drums for fun.

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« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2008, 03:52:21 PM »
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Oil Consumption by capita.
(dated 2004)Totals there too. Amirica first.
Canada and USA are using the most oil per capita of the big countries. Before some 'smaller' countries and oil producing countries.

China is at this list ranked as 125#, Canada and USA standing 13# and 15#. Most european countries are clearly using less, coming from harsh energie policies in europe, I don't think north america is familiair with CO2-tax or buying CO2 rights.
I didn't knew that it would involve that major differences. North america is just using more then double of the oil per capita.
Using more then 14 times that of china, imagine china using as much per capita. Imagine the oil price.

#13     Canada:   71.712 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl    2004 ...   
#14     Aruba:                70.707 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl    2004 ...   
#15     United States:   70.593 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl    2004 ...


#46     France:               32.362 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl    2005 ...   
#47     Italy:               32.333 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl    2004 ...   
#48     Germany:   32.115 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl    2004 ...   
#49     Portugal:   31.613 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl    2004 ...   
#50     Denmark:   31.573 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl    2005 ...   
#51     United Kingdom:   30.534 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl    2004 .
(just took the biggest countries, there are some countries higher and others lower in europe)

#128     China:   5.009 bbl/day per 1,000 peopl    2005 ..


Taking down the earth would really kill global warming. How can a ball be blue when there is no ball.

facts and figures can be used to prove anything. For one China needs to start killing ppl off to balance their budget. Also I never trust any fact or figure presented by the Chinese GOvernment as honest by any means.

Also in Europe you have the best mass transit possible, you can take a train if need be for very cheap, in the states its cheaper to drive even with crappier gas prices than before. They cut all social funding since McCarthy got in and still have, damn Communists.
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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2008, 07:59:51 PM »
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facts and figures can be used to prove anything.

Especially things that are true

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For one China needs to start killing ppl off to balance their budget.

Heh.  First, that's a terribly politically incorrect thing to say.  Second, I'm not sure I see how killing off people would improve the bottom line.  They've got a billion people, figure that maybe 30% of them are in the work force.  And they work for practically nothing.  At least compared with America and Europe.  True, they are a communist (and therefore socialist) state, so they're expected to provide basic goods and services to their population for free (actually I'm guessing, I have no idea how the internal Chinese economy works.  Or even how communism really works when you get down to the level of families.  Do they have to pay rent?  Or are families just assigned housing based on their needs?), but I think the average worker produces more than they cost (the Chinese economy is net exporting, IIRC), which means they have an inflow of cash (probably lots of American Dollars), which means, from a strictly fiscal point of view, more people = more money.

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Also I never trust any fact or figure presented by the Chinese GOvernment as honest by any means.

Oil imports are public record from the oil companies, I don't think it's something they could hide if they wanted to, since the oil has to come from somewhere, and the place it comes from knows how much it sent.

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Also in Europe you have the best mass transit possible, you can take a train if need be for very cheap, in the states its cheaper to drive even with crappier gas prices than before. They cut all social funding since McCarthy got in and still have, damn Communists.

It's not cheaper to drive, it's just that American public transit is terrible.  If you've ever been on a Grey hound bus, you know they're dead cheap, but you get what you pay for.  It actually has nothing to do with McCarthy or communists or anything like that (as you seem to imply).  It was in the 30s or 40s I believe, the tire, automobile, and oil companies got together and bought up all the mass transits in as many large cities as they could.  (Trains and trollies).  They then purposely ran them with terrible management so they'd lose money.  Once they were unprofitable, they would sell off the assets and clsoe down the company.  In its place they'd sell cities buses (which use tires and car engines and gas) to use instead, and promote larger roads and freeways and the like, to boost the utility of cars.  In a matter of a decade or so they'd changed America from a world leader in public transit to a mostly car and bus country.

Oh, and this isn't some crazy crack pot theory, it's pretty well documented and the car companies admitted to it, and got slapped with a minor fine.  wiki.  (Unless of course you don't trust wikipedia as a reputable source.  You're more than welcome to go look it up yourself in that case).

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« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2008, 11:37:23 AM »
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North America is huge and sparsely populated compared to Europe, so I think the extra oil consumption has to do with driving from point A to point B.  In Europe things are more densely packed, so you end up driving less during the day.  That's my guess anyway.  It's not like Americans are sitting outside and just burning oil drums for fun.
Could be, I am no expert.
Ah I've got a link Dutch wikipedia I couldn't find the numbers in the english version. Well Duitsland means Germany . The rest of the countries speak for themself.
I don't know if the extra oil usage has to do with transport. But in if you compare the numbers from 1990 towards 2004 you see that america and china are using more oil and europe and Japan are using globally the same.

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Also in Europe you have the best mass transit possible, you can take a train if need be for very cheap, in the states its cheaper to drive even with crappier gas prices than before. They cut all social funding since McCarthy got in and still have, damn Communists.
Japan has the best mass transit, nobody in the world doubts that. I can't really say taking a train here would be cheap. Most taking a train where students that got a free train-bus-pas. Without students almost nobody would take the train.

Crappier gas prices, in america you've got one of the lowest gas-prices in the world. Use google if you don't believe me.

cut all social funding = damn communists  ??

Communists don't cut social funding they are increasing it the whole time, damn communists.

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..ou get down to the level of families.  Do they have to pay rent?  Or are families just assigned housing based on their needs?), but I think the average worker produces more than they cost (the Chinese economy is net exporting, IIRC), which means they have an inflow of cash (probably lots of American Dollars), which means, from a strictly fiscal point of view, more people = more money.
I doubt the Chinese goverment would be doing everything for it people. In certain places there are free zones for the economy, where capitalism can build factories and build stores. China is slowly more growing to a somewhat more capitalism state. Maybe they are somewhat overcontroling.
And the Chinese (the goverment atleast) are spending a lot of money on various things. They build a maglev-railroad, build a lot of new roads, builded a complete olympic station, build a nucleair fusion reactor, building new cities like it is nothing. This money for a big part dollars, is in my view even taking the value of the dollar down. There is coming much 'Chinese' dollars at the market. The chinese goverment is the last years taking budget deficiouts and still they have enormous dollar reserves.
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« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2008, 09:05:32 AM »
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North America is huge and sparsely populated compared to Europe, so I think the extra oil consumption has to do with driving from point A to point B.  In Europe things are more densely packed, so you end up driving less during the day.  That's my guess anyway.  It's not like Americans are sitting outside and just burning oil drums for fun.
Could be, I am no expert.
Ah I've got a link Dutch wikipedia I couldn't find the numbers in the english version. Well Duitsland means Germany . The rest of the countries speak for themself.
I don't know if the extra oil usage has to do with transport. But in if you compare the numbers from 1990 towards 2004 you see that america and china are using more oil and europe and Japan are using globally the same.

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Also in Europe you have the best mass transit possible, you can take a train if need be for very cheap, in the states its cheaper to drive even with crappier gas prices than before. They cut all social funding since McCarthy got in and still have, damn Communists.
Japan has the best mass transit, nobody in the world doubts that. I can't really say taking a train here would be cheap. Most taking a train where students that got a free train-bus-pas. Without students almost nobody would take the train.

Crappier gas prices, in america you've got one of the lowest gas-prices in the world. Use google if you don't believe me.

cut all social funding = damn communists  ??

Communists don't cut social funding they are increasing it the whole time, damn communists.

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..ou get down to the level of families.  Do they have to pay rent?  Or are families just assigned housing based on their needs?), but I think the average worker produces more than they cost (the Chinese economy is net exporting, IIRC), which means they have an inflow of cash (probably lots of American Dollars), which means, from a strictly fiscal point of view, more people = more money.
I doubt the Chinese goverment would be doing everything for it people. In certain places there are free zones for the economy, where capitalism can build factories and build stores. China is slowly more growing to a somewhat more capitalism state. Maybe they are somewhat overcontroling.
And the Chinese (the goverment atleast) are spending a lot of money on various things. They build a maglev-railroad, build a lot of new roads, builded a complete olympic station, build a nucleair fusion reactor, building new cities like it is nothing. This money for a big part dollars, is in my view even taking the value of the dollar down. There is coming much 'Chinese' dollars at the market. The chinese goverment is the last years taking budget deficiouts and still they have enormous dollar reserves.

In some areas taht recieve little assistance, the wages are only 2-3$ above the gas prces, so the difference is minimal. I think in Europe its what, 4-5$ a liter, and you earn 15-20$ with three-four week vacations every so often. THen you have Zimbabwe where everyone is multi-billionares and it costs millions for a can of beans.

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« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2008, 12:31:39 PM »
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In some areas taht recieve little assistance, the wages are only 2-3$ above the gas prces, so the difference is minimal. I think in Europe its what, 4-5$ a liter, and you earn 15-20$ with three-four week vacations every so often. THen you have Zimbabwe where everyone is multi-billionares and it costs millions for a can of beans.
I don't know what your point exactly is. But if you think the projects they set up are cheap you are wrong, use google/wikipedia(the internet gods) to look up the anwsers of the costs.
Many of the projects are big or complicated or both.
Have you ever heard of any serious magnetic railroad in any other country(the test-railroad in germany doesn't count). That is a big and complicated job and expensive.

Anyway where do you have those numbers from, (I think) the dollar isn't that low in value in comparison with the euro. And you know liters aren't the same as gallons, do you.
In zimbabwe they could be billionaires in zimbabwe dollars. I doubt if they are really paying with those in the country. They probably just use dollars. Or they use euros or the renminbi, now we're speaking of china.

Anyway, this way I am just garbashing you game-topic. So how is the game developing going, everything going alright, need any help?
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