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Crows are pretty damn smart
EricL:
--- Quote from: gymsum ---John Rife... should be able to explain some of that... In short: all frequencies are vibrational energies... all matter has mass... E=mc^2 therefore all mass is energy. Therefore all frequencies and energies are contained within entities as matter. And all matter is contained as a frequency or energy.
In Hemp for instance...
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If you ask me, I think someone has been doing a little more more with hemp than just looking at seeds...
Trafalgar:
Well, it's not his fault - When God created the universe 5 seconds ago, he created it complete with his thoughts, opinions, memories, and that post there. Oh, and this post too, since you're almost certainly reading this more than 5 seconds after I wrote it. Oops, does that say "after I wrote it?" It should have said "after God made it look like I wrote it and gave me memories of writing it."
(I like to bring this out whenever someone trots out the crazy creationism argument, but I'm making an exception for a different kind of craziness in this case. The circular reasoning kind of made me go . Although that does sound vaguely a little like string theory, but I don't particularly care for string theory either - I rather prefer scientific theories about laws of the universe to actually be *testable*.)
P.S. I couldn't find anything about your John Rife on wikipedia. The only one that comes up is this fellow: "John Winebrenner Rife (August 14, 1846–April 17, 1908) was a Republican member of the you.S. House of Representatives from Pennsylvania."
gymsum:
--- Quote from: Numsgil ---Saying that DNA is energy is like saying that an airplane is wood, wire, aluminum, and a bit of steel. It may be a true statement, but it in no way helps you understand the amazing feat it is capable of. In fact, it's not until you bring the abstraction level up to the level of chemistry that you can begin to understand the amazing DNA molecule. General relativity does not really impact biology at all, in fact. Quantum mechanics just barely overlaps if you include chemistry (which is a pretty pedestrian application of quantum mechanics at that...)
--- Quote ---I say the difference between intelligence and instinctual ntelligence is evident but not always clear. In Hemp for instance, should the environment conditions chnage from the previous year, the plant will reproduce seed to be better suited for that environment. The definition of a mind is clear cut, but instictual intelligence is not.. The same method for reaction occurs in almost every natural being, sea fish like Salmon are capable of climatizing to fresh water, etc...
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Certainly instinct exists, and it's quite amazing in its own right. I don't dispute that at all. But in this case I think it involves thought.
--- Quote ---...It could be that it has developed to use scent for food markers and complex oral communications to transfer memories, ...
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That's a far bolder statement than I intended, certainly. Crows certainly vocalize quite a bit. I tend to think of their calls as a few common phrases, like : "nyah, nyah", "mine", "shoo", "I'm sexy!" and "You're sexy!". But who knows, they might be playing that game between Andre the giant and the Spaniard in "The Princess Bride":
--- Quote ---Inigo Montoya: That Vizzini, he can *fuss*.
Fezzik: Fuss, fuss... I think he like to scream at *us*.
Inigo Montoya: Probably he means no *harm*.
Fezzik: He's really very short on *charm*.
Inigo Montoya: You have a great gift for rhyme.
Fezzik: Yes, yes, some of the time.
Vizzini: Enough of that.
Inigo Montoya: Fezzik, are there rocks ahead?
Fezzik: If there are, we all be dead.
Vizzini: No more rhyming now, I mean it.
Fezzik: Anybody want a peanut?
Vizzini: DYEEAAHHHHHH.
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--- Quote ---It is the difference in minds that make them capable. And I do not see a bird asking the question why; something necessary for "understanding" anything. but I dont think that a Crow would ever ask itself why it eats. And if a being does not ask why, then it cannot get an answer of understanding.
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I'm not saying crows are sentient, just far more adaptable and intelligent than other city birds I've ever seen. I consider it like the Turing test for computers, only applied to intelligence: if some animal can convince me it's smart, it probably is.
--- Quote ---Thats where the whole 42 bit comes in.
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What 42 bit thing? Surely you're not bringing a British radio play in to a conversation about crows in anything but a tongue-in-cheek way?
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The string theory has been created to combine the general theory of relativitiy and apply it with quantum physics... the test has been run in switzerland, havent read the results yet..
Shasta:
When I lived in Alaska for several years, I saw plenty of animals doing things that make you think.
Ravens are smarter than crows hands down though in all instances I have seen. If you ever see a raven close up, they are kind of eerie. They are pretty large and I have heard of them opening doors/simple locks and getting at food from neighbors.
One of the funniest sights I saw up there was a bear cub though. The salmon were spawning and he caught a fish. Not wanting it taken by another bear he tried to run up the stream bank (pretty long and steep) right as he got to the top, he dropped his fish. It rolled all the way back down, so he went down and tried again. And dropped it. Then he settled for eating at the bottom of the bank.
But even with the silly bears you could see signs of them being quite smart just in their eating. They had so much food they would only eat the choice parts of the fish usually, so you would find a bunch of tails with spines with heads laying around.
gymsum:
So theres no confusion Im double posting:
to explain John Rife Device Theory:
Apparently some man named Johnathan Rife was attempting to identify a virus with a microscope to prove they exsisted. He had to develop a microscope that would emmit enough light to see the virus under intense magnification. He developed a complex microscope of sorts that used a series of high emitting bulbs filled with an inert gas, the idea was to bombard the virus with enough electrons to emmit its own protons back. He managed to identify the virus and as he continued his studies, he was able to produce a frequency which shattered the protein walls of the virus.
TO explain my half-crocked theory on string theory:
We can begin with a simple example: we have a piece of paper and a desk. If we place the paper on the desk, the desk should push back with equal force on the paper. But if you have ever used a desk that is prone to magnetism, then you know that under the right conditions the paper will stick more to the desk. Secondly, we know that the theory of numbers is based on image. The easiest way to sum up decimals is to determine how a split is made; each place is a reduction from the last split by the same multiplier, meaning at no time can you ever have a difference of 0, but you will have several closer numbers. The Chaos thoery explains that as small and insignificant instances occur, the more change over time takes place. This augmentation of entropy is an importnat law of Thermodynamics, and in accustic terms is evry similar to amplification and cancelation. So we have a means to express the results of an environment, and in this instance our only two objects are a piece of paper and the desk. On a mollecular level, the paper is composed of hydrogen and carbon compounds and the desk like wise; yet their composition and structure ensure the two never intersect eachother's plane of exsistance. Due to entropy and gravity, the paper will forever boune between touching the desk and not touching the desk. From this understanding of a piece of paper bouncing and landing on a desk, the idea that the paper is producing a frequency can be tested by measuring the minute difference in change of the papers position against parallel to the vector of gravity. At the same time, the laws of conservation state that at no time that energy exsists, will the entire value of energy in the system change; it also says that all matter is conserved, and likewise all energy. So should we decide to set fire to the paper, the same amount of energy will exsist in our system of objects in another state. THe last of my rant goes into quantum physics and is quite controverseal as far as theory uis concerned...
Since everything is made of quarks, everything can be said to be made of the same simple components. Furthermore, quarks are constantly moving in a state described as the Heisemer Principle, and this movement is alternating and constant. Above that the atoms have constant movement of electrons meaning that all matter is a state of constant kinetic energy.
Sorry if this seems to be outside the argument of the Crow, and I do fail to see how its even related....
I will say that crows are smart, but I would have to admit that worms are smart for knowing to always rise when its raining so the birds cant eat them.
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