lol. Yeah, they take a lot of veggies to hravest and establish, otherwise they overwork themselves in combat, thats why they have a return feature... Try them against another multibot, (multibot wars rock!) and they need at least 5000 starting nrg, they are built to move behind a bot to hit their unprotected back and avoid their shots, it was built to destroy the excalibur with little success. Ill fix it tommorrow after work so I can get in IM and really get something worth testing, the meat grinder is tough for that particular dna, it needs to evolve to be a better hunter, but it is very good at using energy from a veggie, and will try to feed entire colonies on just one veggie (not very well done).