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Offline fulizer

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« on: January 30, 2008, 08:54:31 AM »
as far as I remember a virus is a semi living thing that will control cells and reproduce itself to death while ejecting viruses.
a real virus like that doesnt kill the bot just gets into every bot and attempts to makemore viruses would be cool
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2008, 10:26:59 AM »
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as far as I remember a virus is a semi living thing that will control cells
Well, close enough to be true.

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and reproduce itself to death while ejecting viruses.
No, and what do you mean exactly?, I believe I misunderstood you, but no(I think)

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a real virus like that doesnt kill the bot just gets into every bot and attempts to makemore viruses would be cool
Like DB works now??

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2008, 01:46:48 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus

Next time when you aren't sure. Look it up. You're wrong 9 times out of 10.

Also, there are already viruses designed that reproduce out of control killing the host bot.

Also, since you are nearly impossible to understand, there are viruses that don't kill the host bot, if that's what you want.

Oh also a few more links for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_grammar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_element
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalisation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasoning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationality
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2008, 07:49:36 PM »
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as far as I remember a virus is a semi living thing that will control cells and reproduce itself to death while ejecting viruses.
a real virus like that doesnt kill the bot just gets into every bot and attempts to makemore viruses would be cool
am I right?
am I?
am ?
am?
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Some viruses actually cause cells to die, its called necromancia. Just because the majority is something, does not mean that the chaos theory cannot be applied; I.e. anything in nature is possible when it comes to genetics.

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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2008, 08:47:01 AM »
ok then by ejecting viruses we will need an example
the common cold causes people to sneeze when they do so it releases millions of its decendents into the air
id darwinbots it will only release one because of a limitation on virus creatons.
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2008, 03:03:50 PM »
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Oh also a few more links for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_grammar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_element
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalisation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasoning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationality
Read them.

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ok then by ejecting viruses we will need an example
the common cold causes people to sneeze when they do so it releases millions of its decendents into the air
id darwinbots it will only release one because of a limitation on virus creatons.
There is not a single cold-virus. There are two major versions. But anyway.
Normally with a virus in reality, if the virus reproduces, simply spoken the virus kills the cell and then spreids a lot of virussus around.
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2008, 04:40:07 PM »
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Normally with a virus in reality, if the virus reproduces, simply spoken the virus kills the cell and then spreids a lot of virussus around.

Not necessarily. There are many different strategies viruses use.

I actually agree with fulizer, that viruses could be improved by giving them more control of their behavior. The severe limit on the number of shots released should go first. But even in the current form they are pretty cool. It's all about balancing people's interests - we only have one active programmer at the moment and he can do only so much. He's working on sexrepro now, but maybe some time he'll find a day or two to improve viruses as well.

P.S: Peter, your spelling is pretty awful too, so don't be a smart-mouth
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2008, 06:18:17 PM »
Maybe forum ranks could be determined from spelling and grammar ability instead of number of posts

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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2008, 06:44:27 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2008, 07:24:41 PM »
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Normally with a virus in reality, if the virus reproduces, simply spoken the virus kills the cell and then spreids a lot of virussus around.

Not necessarily. There are many different strategies viruses use.

I actually agree with fulizer, that viruses could be improved by giving them more control of their behavior. The severe limit on the number of shots released should go first. But even in the current form they are pretty cool. It's all about balancing people's interests - we only have one active programmer at the moment and he can do only so much. He's working on sexrepro now, but maybe some time he'll find a day or two to improve viruses as well.

P.S: Peter, your spelling is pretty awful too, so don't be a smart-mouth

fulizer's argument is based on real life multicelular infected bodies, not single bots which is what the game emulates. If you want the cold effect, program it, it is possible provided it only activates in multicellular organism, then activate the fire virus gene which in turn does something simular to a sneeze and fires all the viruses out at once. The argument is based on somethinge which has no concrete backing. The first things that should be adressed is dna transfer through bot ties, this would really make sexual reproduction easier, along with multibot-viral-infections.

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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2008, 07:38:48 PM »
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fulizer's argument is based on real life multicelular infected bodies, not single bots which is what the game emulates.

You are completely wrong here. A single cell infected with a virus produces large amounts of viruses, which are not released sequentially, but come out en mass. Some viruses keep the cell alive during this release, while others break the cell completely.
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2008, 09:09:11 PM »
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fulizer's argument is based on real life multicelular infected bodies, not single bots which is what the game emulates.

You are completely wrong here. A single cell infected with a virus produces large amounts of viruses, which are not released sequentially, but come out en mass. Some viruses keep the cell alive during this release, while others break the cell completely.


With settings like that in the game, viruses would multiple so rapidly that small cale simulations would not work properly if a virus cell was in use, and it had a deadly virus.

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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2008, 09:19:07 PM »
I can already simulate massive viral reproduction by having the infected bot reproduce cancerously (thus producing lots of also infected offspring). The only problem is this too causes the sim to blow up with lag.

Here's the viral code, if you're interested:

Code: [Select]
'===========Virus===========
cond
532 *.safety !=
start
1256 rnd .setaim store
*.thisgene .mkvirus store
32000 .vshoot store
50 .repro store
*.maxvel 1 sgn store
*.body 2 < *.nrg 10 > and
.strbody inc
*.thisgene 1 !=
1 .delgene store
*.thisgene *.genes !=
*.genes .delgene store
stop

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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2008, 12:07:38 PM »
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Normally with a virus in reality, if the virus reproduces, simply spoken the virus kills the cell and then spreids a lot of virussus around.

Not necessarily. There are many different strategies viruses use.
There are?
I thought that in any case, if the virus decides to release itself to the world it kills the cell. I am serious suprised that it isn't true. Does it have a special name when it doesn't kill the cell?

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P.S: Peter, your spelling is pretty awful too, so don't be a smart-mouth
I am not suprised if my spelling is awful  , but it is understandable(is this spelled correct ), atleast I hope so. Read the first post of the topic and then come back and then say you would have completely understand it at first. A spelling mistake wouldn't be that bad, but if I have to read over a few times to get an idea where he is talking about, it is going the wrong way.
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2008, 12:30:45 PM »
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I thought that in any case, if the virus decides to release itself to the world it kills the cell. I am serious suprised that it isn't true. Does it have a special name when it doesn't kill the cell?

There is a HUGE variability in viral replicative strategies. They pretty much can do anything we can imagine (as long as it does not break any physical laws:) ).

Yes, there is a special name: It's called persistent infection.  It's a pretty general term, which may mean a lot of different things, but it assumes that infected cell is not killed immediately. I'll give you two examples:

Oncoviruses is a general name for viruses that make their host cell cancerous. They turn off the essential check-points in cell cycle and force cells to divide indefinitely. The cells release new viruses, not in huge amounts, but not "one-virus at a time" either. Certainly enough to infect new cells and new hosts.

HIV causes AIDS and is not an oncovirus. Normally it stops cell division and kills the cell within several days. But some strains of this virus don't kill their host cells. Cells feel sick for a couple of days and then recover and start dividing. They shed large amounts of virus all the time, but they continue to grow and divide. In vivo such cells get killed by immune system, but in culture you can keep these cells growing indefinitely.
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