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cost mutiplier reset to zero in 2.43s RESOLVED 2.43u
Welwordion:
Strange I put "autotrophs included in target" out changed the values and it still ressetted to 0 but then I put autotroph on again and it stas 1 now (the value I put in cost multiplier) very strange, unfortunately I can not replicate the bug anymore.
EricL:
You should have posted the sim when you had the bug and saved us all this time and effort and discussion.
Look folks, I'm all for keeping things casual and I love a good discussion, but a bug report without a sim is really poor form.... I can't verify or reproduce a bug without a sim. You might as well not even bother. I spend too much time on DB already without going round and round on what ifs and maybes. Posting a bug without a sim attached in my book is stealing. Your stealing my time. Knock it off.
Numsgil:
It's tempting to fall in to an ego trap when people have problems with a program you've spent hundreds of hours on. How can you be having trouble with X? I spent a whole week on X! Then you fall in to a "works fine on my computer" head bashing match, and the whole things turns sour. I had this problem in the fall of 05 when I was working on 2.4. I just didn't want to see some of the bugs, even when they were right in front of me, and got angry when people pointed them out. Not saying that's happening to you here, just sharing my experience.
For some guidelines, we should say that posts without a sim (zipped for size) attached are assumed to be a new user having difficulty with a feature (ie: the 'fix' in 'bugs & fixes). It's not the program's fault, it's the posters, and they're blaming it on the program because they're frustrated.
UI bugs, which are impossible to reproduce, should probably be handled with remote assistance. That way you can see the bug happening yourself. Most XP computers have this come standard. Users that don't want to do remote assistance (even though it's totally safe) fall in the same category as users without sims: they're new and don't understand a feature.
Welwordion:
Well ... what the hell has the sim to do with, the options resetting themself?
I mean I do not understand much about the inner workings of the software, so I did not even think attaching a sim file would have been any use for you in this case.
remote assistance ... well theoretically I did know that programms exist that do that, maybe I even used them before when I was really desperate because something did not work, but I am inherently clumsy when dealing with computer troubles, I am more a try and error type then someone who relly understands what he is doing with his pc.
Somehow the knowledge does not seem to stick in my mind, hell I used pcs for years and I am still clumsy as a noob regarding its maintenance.
Well nevertheless I will take a look at remote assistance.
P.S.: After looking into a documentation regarding remote assistant it does not seem like a programm designed to monitor programms on ones own computer so how exactly
its supposed to help, I mean its not that my whole pc crashes so ...???
EricL:
I welcome all bug reports. I look at everything. I spend more time explaining things (patiently) to new users than anybody does (these days). I have no problems with new users filing incomplete bugs which end up by design. If nothing else, it points out where the program is confusing and should be improved and I'd rather investigate 100 bugs that end up being by design than miss one real one.
But for vetrans, we need to raise the bar on bug reporting. Repro steps, excepted results, actual results, posted sim, follow up to regress and close resolved bugs, etc. It takes two minutes to file a bug the right way. There is little excuse for not doing so. I fear we have lost a bug here for lack of a sim. Besides, people want me spending my time in the code, not going back and forth for days querying for details that should have been provided in the first place. That may sound selfish or arogant, but the truth is that I'm the guy with his head in the code at present. Spending 2 minutes to make me more effecient is not be too much to ask.
Perhaps it's time for a post on bug posting guidelines.
And Welwordion, I'm not picking on you. Our time zones are just sufficiently out of sync that you have a tendency to catch me before coffee. Just my turn to vent.
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