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Numsgil:
Doesn't Helios use the tie commands that change length and angle that are supposed to work on a temporary basis?
Light:
From what I remember, Nums is right, in 2.37 dont know about 2.4x it is possible to manipulate a tie that hasn't hardened yet. I haven't really studied why Helios doesn't work in 2.4x, but from what I can tell it has more to do with the increase in range of the bots size than the ties themselves.
PurpleYouko:
--- Quote ---in 2.37 dont know about 2.4x it is possible to manipulate a tie that hasn't hardened yet.
--- End quote ---
It shouldn't be possible in either version.
If it CAN do so then Eric is right. it is manipulating a bug.
Ties that have not hardened should be completely inviolate. NOTHING you can do should have the slightest effect on them.
EricL:
--- Quote from: PurpleYouko ---It shouldn't be possible in either version.
If it CAN do so then Eric is right. it is manipulating a bug.
Ties that have not hardened should be completely inviolate. NOTHING you can do should have the slightest effect on them.
--- End quote ---
This is how I beleive 2.4 to be coded. When I look at Helios, I see genes like this:
cond
*.robage 2 =
*.state 1 >
*.twin 1 !=
' *.state 3 !=
start
*.type .tie store
*.type .readtie store
40 .stifftie store
300 .fixlen store
*.state 1 add .out1 store
stop
which I just cut and paste out of the beastary. Unless I misunderstand, no bot can be a multibot at age 2 and thus the use of .stifftie and .fixlen here violates the rules as I understand them.
Perhaps multi-botness is an inherited state value in 2.36?
PurpleYouko:
--- Quote ---Perhaps multi-botness is an inherited state value in 2.36?
--- End quote ---
I must admit I have seen a few bots "sharing" on new ties and even on birth ties.
I never managed to figure out how it was possible.
As for stifftie, you can "set" it at age 2 but it should have no effect till the tie stiffens. It is a value that stays put forever so this is OK.
I don't think fixlen works that way tho. I think if you set it too early it doesn't do anything.
Frankly I don't really know how Helios works. I never actually tried to figure it out.
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