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Offline EricL

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« on: May 29, 2006, 12:37:37 PM »
I'm in Hawaii for the next week or so and won't be working on 2.42.6.  Keep finding and posting those bugs though (great start Elite!).  I'll be hard at it when I return the week after next!

I'm leaving a null organism evo sim running on one of my machines while I'm gone.  100 bots with 30 0's as a starting organism at 32X normal mutation settings.  Its currently running at 130 cycles/sec.  In 9 days, that will be over 100M cycles if it doesn't crash.  (And if it does, well, I will have found a bug).   Let's see if I get a replicator with such a short null starting genome...

1.3M cycles down, 99M to go!

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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2006, 01:24:13 PM »
Have fun

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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2006, 11:09:38 AM »
Woohoo first TRUE massive run of DB!!!
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2006, 12:12:06 PM »
I ran a week long sim once in 2.37, but it sort of turned out meh :barf:

The veggies turned cancerous, eventually forming a "froth" of bots with like 3 body and 4 energy.  The bots themselves would eat the froth, but barely gain any energy from it.

After a while the veggies learned to move around drunkedly (they learned to store a random amount in .dx, or something along those lines), and my population crashed (they were cannibots to begin with, so they quickly started eating each other when food became scarce).

I also started noticing some incredibly weird things going on that I could only assume were bugs.  I don't remember exactly what, but I couldn't ever figure out what was causing it, so the whole things began to disgust me.

And then I think it eventually crashed, and that was that

Well, I guess in a way you could call it successful.  It just wasn't the sort of successful I was after.  That's when I implemented the "nrg per kilobody" option so that veggy "froth" wouldn't happen and I could have a proper predator/prey cycle.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2006, 12:13:08 PM by Numsgil »

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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2006, 08:11:32 PM »
Well, I'm back.  Hawaii was....  well, Hawaii is Hawaii.  They tell me I had a good time...

My sim ran 8.5M cycles before the drive filled up.  Oh well.  Even so, there is quite a lot of variety to be seen - bots with ties, shooting bots, what appears to be bots reproducing tiny offspring then killing them...  I've yet to look at the DNA, but it looks interesting...

The last saved sim with mutation details stripped is attached.  I'll do some analysis over the next few days and post anything interesting.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2006, 11:23:25 AM by EricL »
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2006, 10:11:33 PM »
Shows the importance of finding a way to compress simulation saves.

Welcome back.

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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2006, 07:30:14 AM »
Welcome back Eric  

Maybe autosave sims less often, and code it so that the sim autosaves them with no mutation strings, so that your drive doesn't fill up as fast.

Been doing lots of bug finding while you were away. Lots of stuff to think about at the "Bugs in 2.42.5" thread

EDIT:

When I tired to load your sim it just gave a handfull of errors and crashed
« Last Edit: June 08, 2006, 07:33:11 AM by Elite »

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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2006, 11:34:08 AM »
Quote from: Elite
Welcome back Eric  

Maybe autosave sims less often, and code it so that the sim autosaves them with no mutation strings, so that your drive doesn't fill up as fast.

Been doing lots of bug finding while you were away. Lots of stuff to think about at the "Bugs in 2.42.5" thread

EDIT:

When I tired to load your sim it just gave a handfull of errors and crashed

Hi Elite!

I'll be adding the option to autosave without mutation details in the next version.  That should help some.  I also want to add the option to save every N cycles in addition to every N minutes.  Furthere improvements in save size are quite possible, but lower priority I think.

I've seen all the bugs in the other thread.  Its wonderful.  That is basically my worklist for the next week or so and I hope to make a lot of progress there.

The errors you got when running the sim in this thread were due to some corruption that got introduced during the upload to this topic.  I've re-up-loaded the sim and tested to insure it in fact did get uploaded correctly this time so it should work now without problems.
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2006, 12:39:34 PM »
Was Hawaii good?

How's the novel coming on?

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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2006, 01:12:01 PM »
Hawaii was wonderful.  Four couples with a Costco card in a big house on the beach near Diamond Head.  Man did we cook some fantastic meals....   No kids, perfect weather...  if it weren't for all the other people on the island, it would be paradise.   80% of the populatiuon of the state lives in or around Honolulu and most tourists apparently still want to go to the Waikiki area.  This is the first time I've been back to Oaho over 25 years.  Things have changed.  Last time I was there, Hanamma Bay was a little park with amazing coral and fish and no entry fee.  The people in the water actually looked good in a bathing suit and knew what they were doing - never touching coral, etc.  You took a bag of frozen peas snorkling and let the fish swarm you and you could walk around the edge of the bay to the "toliet bowl" - a rock formation where the tide surge can lift and lower you and the water level in this huge bowl by 25 feet or more.  Ton's of fun.   Now it's $5/person to enter plus parking.  The park has it's own little police force and ambulance service.  They force you to watch a 15 minute video (mostly on water safty and warning obese people to get their doctor's permission before swimming) before they let you in, it's super crowded (which is hard to accomplish as it's a huge place) most of the people there are amazingly unskilled, unaware and tremendously obese, you can't feed the fish (there arn't that many fish anymore anyway) most of the coral is dead (everythign itn eh bay shallow enough to be touched or stood upon) and the toliet bowl has been closed for years because of liability fears.  The place gets over 1 million people a year now even so, from my limited observations, mostly loud, fat, stupid, blindingly white americans from the midwest.  They actually have a giant electric golf-cart like shuttle bus thing that will take people the few hundred yards up and down the little hill leading to the beach for those unfit enough to walk!

We did visit some amazing inland conservation gardens and parks which were surprisingly empty of people.  The torists seem to flock to the beach and ignore everything else.  Sadly, about 20% of all Hawaiian species - birds, plants, etc. - have gone extinct since man arrived in the islands.  Apparently, the trend continues...

The novel is progressing slowly.  My time on it is inversely proportional to my time on DB.  But I've recently finihsed some other projects, so I should hopefully be able to kick both into higher gear.
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