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Welwordion:
I thought numties is not meant to count the birthtie? but it seems to do so (using newest version)
(you also should check multi)

Numsgil:
The short answer is that I don't know if it's supposed to count it or not.

EricL:
Both numties and multi relfect all ties for all bots, tier or tie-ee, all the time in the current code, including the birth tie, even during the cycle in whcih the tie is created.  The code updates them for both bots at the time the tie is created so even if the second bot has yet to go that cycle, they are updated by the time it comes to him.

Any reason why this should not be the case?

Welwordion:
Well if you try to write conditions concering the number of ties this can be a hindrance, for example instead of shooting a tie in a certain cycle which can lead to a failed MB construction if you miss, its more sure to check if you already have the right number of ties and act accordingly.
Also multi is designed to find out if a bot is a multibot so he can activate sharenrg etc, and a bot is no multibot if he has just a birthtie. (maybe just modyfing multi is enough, so you know if you only have one tie if its a birthtie or not)

PurpleYouko:
A bot should never count as a multi-bot with a birth tie.
.multi is only set to a value of one on the cycle in which a tie hardens.
That is unless the code has been messed up in 2.4  

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